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#262703 - 05/19/09 02:47 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Originally posted by hammer:
Yes I play in the general Dallas area. I play Thursday and Friday this week. Email me which day and I will give you the details.

Hammer


I'm thinking Thursday will be the best day for me.

Thanks

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#262704 - 05/19/09 03:03 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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ViLo,

You got mail.
Hammer

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#262705 - 05/19/09 05:27 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Bose simply assume (and all their pics seem to show it) that the Compact is for a standing acoustic guitarist, at ground level. Surely getting rid of ONE of the extensions for a raised, sitting keyboard player would put the array at roughly the same position? With respect to not only the public's, but also the performer's ears...

I have to admit, also, that Bose would be unlikely to cut their own throats by bringing out a competing product to the L1 line that was close to indistinguishable, but well over HALF the price. My take is, if you can't hear a big difference, you aren't cranking them up far enough! And play music with virtually no bottom end already

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 05-19-2009).]
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#262706 - 05/19/09 06:14 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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ViLo,

You got mail.
Hammer


Got it..thanks

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#262707 - 05/19/09 07:06 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Diki,
good point - but for what I play it is perfectly fine. I actually do have a lot of stuff that would test the bottom end and volumn comparisons. I might try that tomorrow just for grins.

You know, just like keyboards, amplification systems are a personal preference and must perform well under the condiontions the performer expects to encounter. It's rather silly to randomly jump out and claim any system to be the "best" without first declaring firm criteria for the test.

I have pretty much determined that for my needs running 2 Compacts will do exactly what I need them to do plus lighten my load considerably.

Later,
Hammer

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#262708 - 05/19/09 07:14 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Originally posted by hammer:
You know, just like keyboards, amplification systems are a personal preference and must perform well under the conditions the performer expects to encounter. It's rather silly to randomly jump out and claim any system to be the "best" without first declaring firm criteria for the test.


AMEN!, hammer.

WAY too much of that here at SZ
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#262709 - 05/21/09 05:51 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Well, this will probably be the last post about all of this. I played another gig today with my twin Compact L1s. This time I was in a room that is one of the largest I play. All i can say is the little systems do a great job and after I finished several folks thanked me for the music and remarked how well they could hear the music and still talk to one another. (They were in the back of the room too.)
I guess that says it all - Bose does a great job of dispersing sound and for me it all works great. Also this time I had plenty of room to seperate the speakers and get them behind me - Clear as a bell and easy to hear at the keyboard. I am very pleased with them and together they really do give my Classic L1 a run for the money. For those interested I have pictures again at the PSRTutorial site under accessory hardware.

Hammer

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#262710 - 05/21/09 06:00 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Oh my gosh - it just keeps getting better and better. When I got home today I setup everything and included my new mixer. I tested with just the L/R output and the L/R and R outputs - with a single Compact L1 and then with both of them. I was amazed at how much of a difference the mixer makes in the sound. With the mixer I was getting some awesome stereo imaging from the two speakers - strange, but without the mixer and playing the same styles and midi files I don't get that effect. Looks like I will be adding the mixer to my setup. Pictures of my test setup ae on the PSRTutorial site for those interested.

Hammer

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#262711 - 05/21/09 06:28 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Loc: NW Florida
I'm confused... what's the difference between using a mixer, sending L and R signals to it from the arranger, and then it sending L and R signals to the two L1 Compacts, to simply going out of the L and R outputs of the arranger directly going L to the L L1 Compact and R going to the other?

Gain, maybe? Should be able to match the gain at the L1Compact, shouldn't you?

EQ? Should be able to match the EQ from the T3's Master EQ, shouldn't you?

I still don't get why there should be any need for the mixer... or any difference, for that matter.
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#262712 - 05/21/09 07:24 PM Re: First Report on My New Bose L1 Compact
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Hi Diki,
Well, let me start off by saying I am NOT the kind of person who has to have all the latest and greatest gear or a stage full of gear to make an impression. All I am after is the best sound I can get with the least amount of effort on my part.

Probably all the things you are saying are true - yes the T3 EQ can do just about anything a mixer would do and yes the T3 gain settings allow a lot of variance. Unfortunately, Yamaha built the T3 for home use or studio work and not live performance. It is very complicated(at least for me) to make these adjustments live. Frankly, if the sounds weren't so awesome and if the preset styles weren't as well suited for my music as they are I would probably look at other options from Rowland or Korg. The mixer allows me to make small "tweaks" on the fly and effortlessly.

As for the Bose Compact L1s, unlike the standard Bose L1s, they have no EQ or Gain adjusments or builtin presets that you can use - none. So without the very expensive Tonematch unit from Bose you only have the builtin sound and levels if that makes any sense.

Why there is a difference in stereo effect I have no idea - but there sure is when using the mixer. One other thing - I really pushed up the gain on the mixer just to see if I could "overdrive" the Compacts and the little speakers just kept on keeping on with no discernable distortion. The sound level was enough to shake the windows.

If I ever get all this figured out I will let you know - meanwhile I will just keep enjoying my new setup and hope the audiences do too.

Hammer

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