AJ / Ketron...

Could you let us know:

when to expect the software?
if it will be released with AUDYA or come later?
what it will do exactly...


i just hope it converts SMF to styles (like styleworks)
also hope it will let you manipulate the styles & its parts/instruments, note editing, volume, pan, effects, eq, etc.

anything else guys?

Are you talking about being able to tweek all of these edits to an existing style or having these edits available for an SMF that has been "converted to a style"?

i wanna be able to "tweak" any style, whether it was converted from SMF , recorded directly to Ketron, or the internal styles,
mess with the notes, add reverb to tracks, eq tracks, copy parts from one style to another, etc.

Lee, i can only say for the things i know for a fact:
1. It will have an event editor.
2. Each track has its own FX.
3. Not each MIDI drumtrack but each drum has
its own Panning, FX and Volume separate.
4. About EQ dont wanna make a mistake but i know there will be EQ per track and Master.
As i know of those are the ones that will come with it, dont forget, more things will be coming with time.

One thing i wish the AUDYA had which i doubt it will is what the G-70 has...

EQ AND FX (reverb) for for every single instrument on the drumkits....

so you can eq the kick low and make it dry
you can boost highs on snare and add reverb
you can add some mids to each and every conga, timbale with just a touch of reverb

the problem with eq'ing and applying FX to entire drum track, is that it limits you big time, and starts to sound "muddy".

just my $0.02

i need separation on drums :-)


[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 03-05-2009).]

i guess AJ is too busy working on the software right now and can't answer ;-)

Lee this is where the G70 shines like NO OTHER arranger.....it's editing capabilities are unmatched by any kb out there.....makeup & cover tools let you edit sounds & drumkits beyond belief. Some one like you who needs sound creation tools really should take a good look at the G70 capabilities.No arranger Kb on the market can come close to dissecting a drum set piece by piece and effectively letting the player achieve the sound they need for every piece of kit & beyond to create that custom sound.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=656&ParentId=18



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-06-2009).]

Dnj,

i do own a G-70, alsong with my XD-3 that is why i am wishing Ketron AUDYA would do same.

i guess the G-70's editing tools, make-up tools, being able to tweak, eq, FX each and every part of drumkit has gotten me SPOILED,

and the G-70's build quality has also SPOILED me big time :-)

Your not the only one that feels like that....I also miss my G70 for all the resons you mentioned.......but I dont miss the weight & size that is why I'm hoping the next version will suit my needs in that respect very soon.BTW the Audya can't do what the g70 can

Donny.., if Roland does release a newer more lemon fresh model to replace the G-70.., I'm willing to bet that the weight will still be an issue for many. Not only that it'll probably still be 76 keys..., and built like a tank. What would probably help you out is if Roland (and the others) got their sh%*& together and start giving their customers what they've been requesting for years...., and that's a FULL MODULE VERSION!

Would you be a happy camper if you could keep using your S900 and was able to add a full module (very light) version of the G-70 to your rig?

Squeake...nah I dont want a modules with all those midi wires to hook up and try to make it work right on stage day after day & night no way Jose.. yuk!!!

its was mainly the SIZE more then the weight the G70 is HUGH!!!....just a few changes to some sounds like the brass & trumpets, I could live with the rest, programmable user "D" beam, and a break button, & much less real-estate & I'll buy one.Meanwhile what does this have to do with Audya software ?.....

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-06-2009).]

dNJ SAID:
"BTW the Audya can't do what the g70 can"


and the G-70 can't do what the AUDYA can :-)

too bad the AUDYA will be quite heavy too, close to G-70

we need an AUDYA Module

Not as many wires as you think Donny! Big misconception is people tend to think that it's much harder than it really is Out of the box all you'd need is ONE midi cable to use your S900 to control the module Remember I'm talking FULL featured module. Not some dinky box with no buttons and just full of sounds and styles. Look at the V synth rack. Imagine a box like that with all the style controls there just like any other arranger, touch screen, and more. You'd be short one big ass keybed and all the weight that goes along with those keys and the massive shell to house them

With the economy the way it I highly doubt any modules anytime soon if at all anymore vs what you can now do on a computer music wise...not enough people buying them....they want you to buy the whole shebang for $5000.00....save your money there's plenty out there to make good music...people should be taking lessons to learn how to play well instead IMO.

After using the Midjay & others thru the years Squeak Modules are a pain in the cooley....for a real giggin busy musician on the run all day long ....all in one is the way to go in & out.Less is more in this game.



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-06-2009).]

The Ketron X1 had individual fx for each drum part, same as SD1 and I am certain the Audya will have it ...

SD5 has it also.
People are pretty much guessing what the Audya does and doesn't do, but it will certainly have that.
I guess that's all we can do in the U.S. until they get here.
DonM

XD1 has individual/controllable FX for every single drum sound that made up drum kit? i thought it had global fx for drum

BUT do you think AUDYA will have EQ for every Drum instrument? i really don't see it happening

Once Frank at Audioworks gets the Audya...then a lot of answers will come our way. Looking forward to leaning more about it from Frank...I trust him!

Lee S.

I think the XD3 does all of the above with the exception of eq of each track and changing of the notes.

oh it doesn't covert midi to styles, but there always Style Works.

mc,

i personally think "eq of each track, AND EACH INSTRUMENT (drum) within that track AND changing of the notes" is VERY important

and fact that it doesn't covert midi to styles (as does the G-70) is quite disappointing.

you say there is styleworks?,
but you're forgetting that styles works destroys all velocities which will make your drums sound VERY robotic like.

so give us SMF to style conversion on either the AUDYA, the software or preferably BOTH.



[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 03-06-2009).]

Looking at the available data, and call it a "gut" feeling, I think you only need to look at the SD1+ editing "specs" to see just how far you will be able edit the Audya. Of course I could be wrong, but....

Editing was NEVER a Ketron strong point. And any editing available has always been convoluted and counter-intuitive, in my view.

I think the Audya is simply an SD1+, with a Midjay added to it. Include the audio instrument loops and audio playing functions and there you have it.

As a live playing machine, Ketrons have always been good.This is true also about the way they (Ketron) make what are pretty basic sounds, mix together exceptionally well within styles.

But editing, no.

Dennis

[This message has been edited by miden (edited 03-06-2009).]

maybe if the AUDYA had extensive style/sound editing capabilities as do the other makes, we'd have to pay $7,000 for it... ;-)

Geez.., that Roland V-Piano's starting to look more affordable now Don't give Ketron any ideas man! They're already heading down the line to Wersi pricing! Their current prices are already much higher than the others.

if KETRON is smart, they will price AUDYA competitively with Roland, Korg, Yamaha, ESPECIALLY in this economic crisis.

is it better to sell 5,000 AUDYAS at $5,000
or
10,000 AUDYAS at $3,999

Remember:
Short-Term Gain can lead to Long-Term Failure

But some of them have been guessing right...

It isn't really guessing when you have knowledge of prior products, or if you have experience with using similar functions in a computer environment...

Then, it's just common sense.

The Audya is NOT 'revolutionary', it is simply another step down the path. Many of it's touted features have existed in other products or software long before now. Even the AI seems to remind me of older Korg products, that would change patterns based on velocity, chord types (more of them than most others), note density (or was that one Technics?), etc..

Guitar loop libraries are STILL not fully functional in TOTL computers...

And Ketron's style editing tools have, in the past, been VERY bare bones.

It ain't GUESSING.... it's 'extrapolation'

Diki.., even the Casio MZ-2000 had a setting that varied the auto accomp based on velocity It wasn't as in depth as others, but even Casio was playing with it. I know someone's probaby going to jump in here as well and say it wasn't Casio (again another rumor that went around that was never confirmed about the MZ-2000 being built buy another company)

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 03-06-2009).]

seems like everyone has lost interest in this AUDYA...as nobody is posting anything on it anymore

Yeah! When they finally announce the retail price of the Audya, it's going to go over like a "fart in a space suit".

i don't want to know retail price,
i wanna know exactly how much i have to pay for it...

you know what they say:

"out of sight, out of mind"

I noticed that also.....they should of waited to Hype it and had it ready to ship to people at the height of the excitement...
I hope they dont have a major uphill battle selling it in this economy.If they keep the price on par with the other TOTL units or a bit below they'll have a chance.

Dnj stated, "If they keep the price on par with the other TOTL units or a bit below they'll have a chance."

Dnj,
i think you'll have a better chance of winning the "Mega Millions" or being struck by lightning :-)

Lets face it Lee....if the price is too high and people don't buy units they dont make any money......that is NOT the way to be adventageous to the company business thats profit 101.. only selling = profits.....unless this unit is miles above the rest of the competition it will not warrant a much higher price in customers eyes plain & simple. Meanwhile they are not alone in the Arranger KB race & new things are being developed as we speak so TIME is of the essence also in a year or so it will be old news..

The Audya can ask for that price because this unit is miles above the rest. At lease that is Ketron's point.

I hope your right....have you played on or heard it in person?...Miles above?

Hi,
and it removes some controllers at the begginning of the first bar.
I had real hassles with Controller 11 Expression.
My Styleworks Universal with Plus Package
( included an event list editor of sorts).
I thought this package may make up for the lack of onboard editing tools on my sd1+.
Unfortunately it didn't.

Pity they never created pc software style editor for the sd1. They're a great keyboard, just lacked style editing functions.

best wishes
Rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by leezone:

you say there is styleworks?,
but you're forgetting that styles works destroys all velocities which will make your drums sound VERY robotic like.

miles ahead? with what?

with their software?
elaborate style/note editing capabilities?
build quality? sliders? buttons?
touch sensitive lcd?
vocalizer?
Right hand sounds? cutting edge sounds?
76-note weighted/semi-weighted keybed?
ability to apply FX AND EQ to every single drum instrument within a track?
the whopping 64 MB RAM?

Thats Ketron's job to say why they should be asking for the price they will ask for. We will just have to wait and see what price they will ask for.

and we will have to see if the price THEY ask for justifies its purchase...

Ketron, or at least their agents in the US, haven't exactly been hitting it out of the park with their inflated claims of ability...

Firstly, they failed to live up to the hype of the guitar chord audio feature (their own hype, BTW) and left it a hollow shell of what we anticipated, with holes in it's operation you could drive a jazz tune through

And then there's AJ claiming this ridiculous 12-1 audio compression for samples, and then there was the evidence that the pattens have fills in them, whether you need them or not. All of which vehemently denied by them until the facts actually came out...

Now we are faced with the likelihood that this boondoggle is going to cost at least a grand more than a PA2Xpro or T3, and more likely $1500 more. Without a working editor (it's in the mail) for styles, or the ability to add in your own audio loops (except drums, and no editor for that, either), a very limited sampler RAM, and a complete lack of any 3rd party styles for it (and without an editor and easy loop creation tools, little chance of them, either, at least for a while), I'm just not sure how many of us that consider even a T3 or PA2 as an expensive luxury, given how good things like the PA800 and even the S900 or E60 are (for a half to a quarter of the price), I think Ketron have dug themselves a pretty deep hole.

Ketron needs a trickle down product PRONTO, or can you say Wersi? Price yourself out of the market, that's where you end up...

finish recording the Audio Guitars...so there are no Audio dropouts

offer 1 GB Ram standard (expandable)

give us a 500GB HD not a 80GB
(didn't know 80GB still existed, but i guess this was alot 3 or 4 years ago when AUDYA started :-)

provide software to manipulate styles & create styles from SMF's

then it MAY be worth $4,999