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#257775 - 02/22/09 09:58 AM car problem (Way OT)
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Guys-

Went out to warm up the car, started right up. Came inside for a few minutes and then went out and found car stalled. Also smelled gas. I knew I was needing gas but didn't think I'd run out yet. Tried starting the car...gas smell gets worse.

Also noticed a dripping sound after I ceased trying to turn it over. Kids verified they see something dripping after each attempt to start the car.

Funny thing is it just got a tune up yesterday. I had no issues after picking it up yesterday at all.

Any ideas?

Could it be related to something involved with the tune up stuff?

Thanks

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#257776 - 02/22/09 10:01 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Sounds like a fuel line leak. Check the fluid dripping to see if it smells like fuel. Your fuel pump could also be bad.., what year is the vehicle. On the tune up did it include a fuel line filter check as well? How low was the fuel in your tank? In extreme cold conditions having a very minimal amount of fuel in the tank and lines isn't always suggested... was your tank well under a quarter tank?

If it cranked over..., ran for some time.., then stalled it's very possible the motor was simply "running on fumes" until it stalled--taking into consideration the fuel line is leaking. A hose could have dry rot.., a clamp somewhere could have rusted through.., anything's possible on the fuel line.

Is this a trusted mechanic of yours. It's a very common mechanic dirty scheme to find a fuel line leak.., or suddenly you have an oil or small radiator leak after a tune-up. Mechancis get nailed for this all the time. They've been caughted puncturing fuel lines.., radiators.., and even oil pans. Sometimes they'll screw with the seal on the oil pan plug. My mother had a mechanic do that to her when she brought her BMW in (I actually caught the guy tampering with it). Ya gotta watch..., more and more people are holding on to their older vehicles due to the times and garages are making a killing now.., so naturally dirty mechanics are on the rise.

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#257777 - 02/22/09 10:03 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Bring it back to your mechanic who did the tuneup. probably fuel pump...they'll have to drop the gas tank to replace it and charge you a hefty sum too.... man this IS way OT

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#257778 - 02/22/09 10:06 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Originally posted by squeak_D:
Sounds like a fuel line leak. Check the fluid dripping to see if it smells like fuel. Your fuel pump could also be bad.., what year is the vehicle. On the tune up did it include a fuel line filter check as well? How low was the fuel in your tank? In extreme cold conditions having a very minimal amount of fuel in the tank and lines isn't always suggested... was your tank well under a quarter tank?

If it cranked over..., ran for some time.., then stalled it's very possible the motor was simply "running on fumes" until it stalled.


Invoice says he replaced 6 spark plugs, 1 fuel filter and 1 pcv valve...Plus oil and the filter...

It smells strongly of gasoline...

This is a 2003 Town & Country MiniVan. Never...EVER...has this thing failed to start...in 3+ years...

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#257779 - 02/22/09 10:10 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Check that fluid for sure. It's most likely a leaking fuel line..., or faulty fuel pump. Fuel pump changes are a pain (especially if the pump's in the tank). Those are a pain to change yourself. (note to self.., don't EVER help someone change the fuel pump on a 1987 Dodge Dakota after finding out the guy filled the tank completey before the change..., knowing his fuel pump was going bad--man that was a nightmare).
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#257780 - 02/22/09 10:11 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Holy shit! That van's a 2003 and he pulled and replaced the sparks!!!!!!! How many miles you got on that van? I bet he charged you a nice fee for that spark replacement! Again.., another area garages will soak people on. My Lincoln Town Car at 16 years old with 133,000 miles is still running on the original sparks, and fuel pump.

I'd question that guy on the spark replacement for sure. Ask him why he replaced them. Being a 2003 you could simply CLEAN the sparks.

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#257781 - 02/22/09 10:13 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
Invoice says he replaced 6 spark plugs, 1 fuel filter and 1 pcv valve...Plus oil and the filter...

It smells strongly of gasoline...

This is a 2003 Town & Country MiniVan. Never...EVER...has this thing failed to start...in 3+ years...



It appears the fuel filter has been installed improperly or the wrong type of filter was used...hence the leaking fuel, and smell of gasoline.

That's the first thing I'd have checked.

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#257782 - 02/22/09 10:16 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Originally posted by squeak_D:
Holy shit! That van's a 2003 and he pulled and replaced the sparks!!!!!!!


I'd never had a tune up before. The book recommends every 100k miles, I'm a hair over 124K...

what a pain....

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#257783 - 02/22/09 10:17 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Fuel filter would depend on where the leak is coming from. Find out where the filter is located. My wife's grandfather has the same van.., and I can run some questions by him if you want.
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#257784 - 02/22/09 10:21 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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At 124k it's a different story. That's an average of just over 20k a year (you put some miles on that puppy didn't ya).... It'd be surprised though if the fuel pump has gone bad. If you got leaking under the vehicle (depending on where it's at) you're more than likely looking a fuel line leak..., or as Ian mentioned a poorly installed filter (which sometimes have bad seals on them)
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#257785 - 02/22/09 01:26 PM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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First off..in the tank electric fuel pumps won't leak on the ground....

Secondly, the mechanic replaced a fuel filter....There is the location of your problem..bad connection, or damaged fuel line..
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#257786 - 02/22/09 02:56 PM Re: car problem (Way OT)
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Well, its been towed back to the garage so it'll be there waiting for them in the morning.

As I will be!

I have a double tomorrow with a new client in the morning. Hopefully this is a quick fix...

Cheers!
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#257787 - 02/22/09 04:26 PM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
Well, its been towed back to the garage so it'll be there waiting for them in the morning.

As I will be!

I have a double tomorrow with a new client in the morning. Hopefully this is a quick fix...

Cheers!


Billl ... glad to hear it was towed... that was going to be my suggestion ... don't want you -or anyone else - DRIVING a car with a gas leak ...

PS ... Just changed the plugs on my 2000 Honda Accord (6 cyl) - 147,500 miles ...

t.

PS ...If they can't convince you that it wasn't their fault - wrong filter, whatever - they should give you a 'loaner' free if it can't be repaired in time ...

t.



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#257788 - 02/22/09 04:28 PM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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ooooops

t.

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#257789 - 02/22/09 04:47 PM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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First the water heater, now the car! I'm busy in the morning, else I would've been your roadie
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#257790 - 02/23/09 12:14 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Quote:
Originally posted by squeak_D:
Holy shit! That van's a 2003 and he pulled and replaced the sparks!!!!!!! How many miles you got on that van? I bet he charged you a nice fee for that spark replacement! Again.., another area garages will soak people on. My Lincoln Town Car at 16 years old with 133,000 miles is still running on the original sparks, and fuel pump.

I'd question that guy on the spark replacement for sure. Ask him why he replaced them. Being a 2003 you could simply CLEAN the sparks.

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 02-22-2009).]


Squeak,
why souldn't he change the spark plugs? Not a bad thing to do, and Bill's been using the car for 6 years now. How much do the spark plugs cost anyway?

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#257791 - 02/23/09 03:37 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
Bill in Dayton Offline
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I was charged $66.88 for the spark plugs...

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#257792 - 02/23/09 04:47 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Trident.., the reason I asked is because spark plug scams are a big thing here in the USA with dirty mechanics. The reason I was also curiuos is because his van is a 2003.., average milage per year by US standards is 10-12k a year (that's an average). Based on the high end of that would put his vehicle at 72,000. He put a lot of miles on his van for a 6 year old vehicle (124k on a 03 model is pretty high)..., so spark change would be fine here.

I was just checking to make sure he didn't caught in the old "you need new sparks scam". He did however get a good price on the plug replacement though. I'm surprised to see it that low considering how much mechanics charge for this on average.., and the amount of work it takes on some vehicles.
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#257793 - 02/23/09 06:06 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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On the road, again!

Turns out one of the clips from the fuel filter wouldn't connect properly. Mechanic hadn't noticed anything during the tuneup, but they even had another new delivered pronto this morning and that one wouldn't attach securely either.

They took my old one...the original Chrysler...out of the trash and put it back in and that, of course, fit perfectly.

Mechanic / sales guy from NAPA thinks their's had a mfg. defect . My guy will order a new one from the dealer and install it later.

Thanks to everyone for the help & interest...

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#257794 - 02/23/09 08:47 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
On the road, again!

Turns out one of the clips from the fuel filter wouldn't connect properly. Mechanic hadn't noticed anything during the tuneup, but they even had another new delivered pronto this morning and that one wouldn't attach securely either.

They took my old one...the original Chrysler...out of the trash and put it back in and that, of course, fit perfectly.

Mechanic / sales guy from NAPA thinks their's had a mfg. defect . My guy will order a new one from the dealer and install it later.

Thanks to everyone for the help & interest...



Sometimes only OEM parts will suffice ... Glad things worked out for you Bill ...
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#257795 - 02/23/09 08:55 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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In 13 years of automotive experience, I have never seen a bad fuel filter. The mechanic probably broke off the quick-disconnect clip on the line, or he lost a rubber o-ring!

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#257796 - 02/23/09 09:07 AM Re: car problem (Way OT)
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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
On the road, again!

Turns out one of the clips from the fuel filter wouldn't connect properly.


I figured that was the issue...then again, what else could it have been....glad you got it sorted out.

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