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#246529 - 10/28/08 07:43 PM FYI........Roland arranger fact
Fran Carango Offline
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A fact that I think very few people know about Roland arrangers ..G and E series, can use up to 16 parts for styles...

I accidentally found this out while listening to very complexed styles I just received..

Now go check your other brands...I checked the manuals of Yamaha..it is stated that they use up to 8 parts...

Can someone check the Korgs for us...
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#246530 - 10/28/08 07:47 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
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Korg also uses up to 8 parts..
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#246531 - 10/28/08 07:56 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
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I believe there are 16 parts because you can bounce style tracks (just a guess)...and if that's the case, they will have to share the same EQ/effects, which may or may not be advantageous.

Personally, I find 8 parts as complex and full as I would need...especially since Yamaha uses two drum tracks as opposed to Roland's one...

I sometimes take out style parts to simplify, but I guess if you're only playing single note lines over the style, 16 parts might help fill things out better.

Ian
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#246532 - 10/28/08 08:01 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
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I have never heard a recording from Fran that has more than 3 or 4 instruments it in anyways...??
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#246533 - 10/28/08 08:02 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
Fran Carango Offline
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Ian, I checked ..the Rolands also have 8 tracks , but 16 parts...Are you saying for sure that Yamaha also uses 16 parts?
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#246534 - 10/28/08 08:10 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
Fran Carango Offline
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I just checked at random, my Korg and Yamaha styles...after checking more than 2 dozen styles...none used more than 8 parts...So I believe..it to be true..only Roland uses 16 parts...

If anyone finds this to be false..please let me know..just curious...also maybe that is why Roland styles just sound better to me...
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#246535 - 10/28/08 08:18 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Ian, I checked ..the Rolands also have 8 tracks , but 16 parts...Are you saying for sure that Yamaha also uses 16 parts?


Yamaha uses 8 style tracks...RHY1, RHY2, CHD1, CHD2, PAD, PHR1, PHR2.

They each have their own EQ, DSP effects, and filter, as well as volume and pan.

Also, Yamaha has the advantage of four programmable Multi Pads to add even more to an accompaniment.

If Roland's 8 style style tracks are expanded(?) to 16 by overdubbing, then the tracks would have to share EQ and effects, wouldn't they?

That may, or may not, be advantageous, as I said earlier.

Ian

[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 10-28-2008).]
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#246536 - 10/28/08 08:37 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
Fran Carango Offline
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Ian, on the G70 ..each of the 16 parts in a style have individual tone parameters including , cutoff,reso,vibrato parameters and ADS..It also has separate effects and Eq for each part.
Also individual drum instrument parameters within a drum kit...Comparing manuals it looks like Roland is much deeper in the style department over Korg and Yamaha..
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#246537 - 10/28/08 08:54 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
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Looks like it time for Diki to arrive and settle this disscusion

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#246538 - 10/28/08 08:56 PM Re: FYI........Roland arranger fact
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Comparing manuals it looks like Roland is much deeper in the style department over Korg and Yamaha..


Maybe they are Fran, but I was never struck on Roland's styles....some of the Latin are good, as well as a few contemporary fusiony styles, but overall I was disappointed in the factory set....I guess you could improve them or get some good 3rd party styles...the Tyros styles were converted for the G70, I believe.

I had a G70 (Ver3) here for over a week and dissected it pretty thoroughly.

Nice instrument, but didn't meet my needs...too big and too heavy...no need of it, as I've said time and time again...weight does not always translate into durability or quality.

It did have a nice piano and, though I'm not overly fond of them, a good semi-weighted action.

It's good to see you so enthusiastic about your keyboard...I feel the same way about mine.

Ian
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