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#242170 - 09/10/08 05:49 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
squeak_D Offline
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I liked some of the voices. The saxes stood out. I agree with Diki about the piano sound. The 2 buttons for control over the SA voices isn't ground-breaking anymore. MotifXS owners have already been enjoying that feature for a while now.

The drums seem to be getting a little better. Still way too compressed IMO though.

Yamaha still clearly doesn't want to attract any "younger" crowds for the Tyros line. As with many of their demos you get 99.99% jazz, big band, and other more classic styles of music. I listened to the few mondern styles they had.., and to be honest..., for the generation those styles are geared towards.., Yamaha ain't gonna be foolin anyone with those styles.

I'm curious though. For being a 61 key speakerless keyboard..., the body size of the Tyros is quite large. The height on it seems a bit much considering this model has no speakers.
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#242171 - 09/10/08 06:33 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
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Very, very impressive...demos are awesome....sounds(and the control you have over them) are certainly a step above anything else out there.

Can't wait to actually spend some time with it...gonna be fun.

Ian
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#242172 - 09/10/08 08:18 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
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Registered: 03/31/02
Posts: 491
Loc: California
Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Very, very impressive...demos are awesome....sounds(and the control you have over them) are certainly a step above anything else out there.


Ian,

You might want to crawl out from under that rock once in a while so you can see and hear the real world before continually making such blanket statements. "Sounds and control that are certainly a step above anything else"? You've got to be kidding! My ancient Fairlight has more control over the sound than the Tyros 3 and it's been around for nearly 30 years. Real time knobs, switches, wheels, and several pedals (all fully programmable I might add). I've been switching between samples, adjusting filters, vibrato, LFO, levels, pan, FX, and anything else I want too for a long, long time. Even Yamaha's antiquated CS80 has more control over the sounds it creates than the Tyros 3. Give some of Vangelis' work a listen sometime and hear the variations in sound he creates simply by manipulating the CS80's real time controls. Then take into consideration the CS80 was made back in 1977. Now that's truly awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ftIak06nBo&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djj3EAPbhWw&fmt=18


I hate to bring up Wersi or Lionstracs yet again but both of them also have more control over sounds than a Tyros 3 does. Also, both can play large disk streaming files that make the Tyros 3's SA1, SA2, and Megavoices sound like a child's toy. There are many keyboards available that have more features than the Tyros 3 is offering and these features were available years ago. The Korg Oasys is another case in point where it has multiple switches, knobs, a joystick, and foot pedals to control many aspects of its sounds. Spend some time with the Oasys and you'll see what an incredible performance keyboard it is.

I did like some of the sounds on the Tyros 3 demo's but by no means was I blown away by them nor were they any better than what I'm using already on my Wersi factory sounds. I'll hold out final judgment on the Tyros 3 until I play it in person, but considering the demos were highly polished and produced, I'm pretty sure the board isn't going to knock my socks off. Of course YMMV.


[This message has been edited by Ensnareyou (edited 09-10-2008).]

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#242173 - 09/10/08 08:47 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Ensnareyou:
"Sounds and control that are certainly a step above anything else"? You've got to be kidding!


Nope, I ain't kidding.

Now, back under the Yamaha rock I go.

It's the brilliant (and easy) way Yamaha have provided control over the sounds...even you could handle it...the more experienced players will love it too.

Ian

PS...the CS80 (had one...also had a Jupiter 8) is not an arranger...and neither is the poky old Fairlight.

Gee...you gotta update your gear...must be hard times?

PSS...I haven't heard anything from Wersi or Lointracs that impressed me...at least from the lackluster demos....hardly ear-inspiring...may as well be listening to a Casio (my apologies to Casio).
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#242174 - 09/10/08 08:49 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
LIONSTRACS Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Italy
I saw the new T3 video too...styles are good, this we know all, but the sounds not impress me at all.
SA2 is what they shown in the video demos??
this is just one key midi controller that activare a different layer sounds and the sounds response different.

hey...with gigastudio and Linuxsampler editor: http://linuxsampler.org/screenshots/gigedit_0_0_3.png
we can make totally the same!
for each sound we can add a new layer and add a new midi CC controller, the result is the same like a SA2.

4 years OLD feature...

Soon we release also the 32 sliders and 32 keys ON/OFF programmable CC controller, mean 64 CC new controls = SA64??

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#242175 - 09/10/08 08:54 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Originally posted by LIONSTRACS:

Soon we release also the 32 sliders and 32 keys ON/OFF programmable CC controller, mean 64 CC new controls = SA64??


How about releasing some decent demos?

The ones I've heard are awful...if the instrument is as good as you say it is, why not back up your claims with something to showcase it's attributes, rather than be yakking on and on about it.

Ian
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#242176 - 09/10/08 08:54 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
LIONSTRACS Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Italy
Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Nope, I ain't kidding.

Now, back under the Yamaha rock I go.

It's the brilliant (and easy) way Yamaha have provided control over the sounds...even you could handle it...the more experienced players will love it too.

Ian

PS...the CS80 (had one...also had a Jupiter 8) is not an arranger...and neither is the poky old Fairlight.

Gee...you gotta update your gear...must be hard times?

PSS...I haven't heard anything from Wersi or Lointracs that impressed me...at least from the lackluster demos....hardly ear-inspiring...may as well be listening to a Casio (my apologies to Casio).



Before blame me, wersi and Casio...let your T3 to play ONE simple stupid 5Kb MP3..then maybe you can talk about the new OLD features implemented on T3.
I will also ee the new USB 2.0 there if still need 1 hour or half..for load 1Gb ram..
Enjoy what you play

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#242177 - 09/10/08 10:42 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14182
Loc: NW Florida
Thank God that Yamaha have WAY more class than to come here and slam YOUR lame-ass pathetic sounding offering, Dom...

I can't believe you have the gall to come onto this forum, and continue to act as if you had anything to offer that remotely matched any of the Big 3's sonic offerings. Let's spell it out for you one more time. If YOU can't make your own arranger sound remotely as impressive as the competition, what's the point?

Oh yeah, that's right. WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU, aren't we? In OUR hands, it will cease to sound like a Casio (nice to see you acknowledging your REAL competition ) and will finally sound better than the T3, as per your promise.

You know what else we are better at, too?

Detecting bullshit.
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I'm sorry, Nigel, but can't you stop this guy spamming the forum? Because that's what it is. I'm waiting for him to throw in a year's supply of Viagra with every purchase, because the MS demos don't give ANYONE a woody

I know it seems a little harsh, but if he can come here and slam a legitimate manufacturer, surely we can slam back?
This is one puppy that deserves to be kicked (unless it quits biting )...
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#242178 - 09/10/08 10:53 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
kla4 Offline
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Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 306
Loc: NL
Lionstracs,
For what purpose do keyboardPLAYERS need an MP3 player?
Why should one want to load huge samples?
Keep in mind this is a arranger-keyboard forum.
You persist in slamming all brands and features continously and are not even capable to show styles/movies with 1/10th of the quality of the demo's shown on the T3 website??

You also persist in telling MS is far superiour and is able to do the same and 'better'. In fact MS is an average PC that ages even faster than keyboards hardware/software.

I hope you do not reply my message. I only want to let you know you behaviour is very annoying, you'd better preduce better demo's for your own sake.

Ian is right : "Just show us ONE decent demo of your MS"

visit http://music-tyros.com/ where you can find true professional demos ánd one of the best keyboards on earth! (in my view THE best)


[This message has been edited by kla4 (edited 09-10-2008).]

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#242179 - 09/10/08 11:47 AM Re: First sound samples of T#
LIONSTRACS Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Italy
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Originally posted by kla4:
Lionstracs,
For what purpose do keyboardPLAYERS need an MP3 player?

Good question..then we have to ask why PA800, PAX, G70, Ketron, Gem, Wersi.... have implemented from many years...

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Why should one want to load huge samples?
Do not need to load huge samples, but just some 50-100Mb in one acceptable loading time.
this just for play also some different sounds and not only the ROM based sounds.
How many years you can play with the same Sax or Clarinet?? Com on...IF you are able to load in a decent time a nice wav sounds, you will use it in every moment.

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Keep in mind this is a arranger-keyboard forum.
yes and?? the MS and the all other keyb with a Mp3 players are not arrangers??


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You persist in slamming all brands and features continously and are not even capable to show styles/movies with 1/10th of the quality of the demo's shown on the T3 website??

i'm not persist and slamming the others really nothing, is just that you there talk without any know how, like: are certainly a step above anything else out there...com on, not be rediculos and offende the others brands too.

remember also that I'm not a yamaha corporation, where they have milions of $$ to invest on advertising or professional video demos. I see that the all others company do not make ton of demos or advertising like the Yahama.
One video demo can never prove the high quality of one 24bit audio system with the standard 16bit of your all keyboards. Have to listen in real.

how I told before, I dont have available now MS for make new demos for you, when I get the new MS X61 production, we restart again with also the new totally OS 3.0.

You also persist in telling MS is far superiour and is able to do the same and 'better'. In fact MS is an average PC that ages even faster than keyboards hardware/software.

hey..yes of course, because under the MS we are allowed to load about ANY 3th party ASIO/VST application and Giga library.
IF you persist to tell that the T3 sounds are better of the all Native Instruments, Gigastudio, Garritan, melodyne.. and so on....then I think that the all 3th party company are really so stupid....better buy one T3 and the all music argument is closed.

quote:
I hope you do not reply my message. I only want to let you know you behaviour is very annoying, you'd better preduce better demo's for your own sake.
Untill Nigel do not banning me, with the all respect of you all guys, I will to reply to the all people that are only offending and blame the all small company like mine.

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Ian is right : "Just show us ONE decent demo of your MS"

visit http://music-tyros.com/ where you can find true professional demos ánd one of the best keyboards on earth! (in my view THE best)

You will see, don't worry and also the audio styles!
when you will see in action the COMBI with 8 layers ASIO/GIGA sounds application in realtime, you guys have only to dream.

do you need a nice sounds demos?
I can just play the Komplete synth, B4 II, Giga Vienna symphonic for reproduce the same high quality sounds demos.
Do you need this same demos for understand that the 3th patry sounds are better?
Com on...don't make me laugh..


[This message has been edited by kla4 (edited 09-10-2008).]

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