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#236481 - 06/20/08 03:46 PM PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
mikeathome1 Offline
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Does anyone know of an easy way to get rid of handclaps in a smf? Do you know what note it is or what it is supposed to be? can I transpose it?
I know I can probaly figure it out and it's probably been discussed before but I figure if anyone has a shortcut they would like to share...thanks.
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#236482 - 06/20/08 03:57 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
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Yamaha is one of the worst when It comes to this problem with Hand Claps in SMF playback where other KB's dont do it. I had this problem many times it is so annoying and a pain in the butt caused by wrong Yamaha GM drum assignments. You can do it in SONG CREATOR in the keyboard ....event by event....open the song and go to track 10.....and delete "each note that represents the hand-clap" all the way thru the song then just re-save.....or you'll have to use a Midi editing program like Sonar Cakewalk, etc etc & go into Micro event edit to isolate the clap & remove it.

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#236483 - 06/20/08 06:56 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
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There are a couple programs that will do this. One is Midi-Fix, which is available from Michael Bedesem. The other was made by Jorgen Sorensen, but I cannot remember the name of the program. Just a couple mouse clicks solves the problem.

Cheers,

Gary

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#236484 - 06/20/08 11:30 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
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Not to be much of a smartass (seems I am too much of that already ), but for all the Roland bashing going on here, nobody tends to talk about the style and sequence editing capabilities built right into the keyboard, and easy to operate, to boot. Something as utterly basic as this is the easiest thing in the world to fix on a Roland.

No external programs, no transferring files around, none of that. Every style, every SMF, you can easily open up the drumkit, and assign a different sound (anything in the kit you want) to any note that is wrong. It is the work of seconds to fix this minor gaff. It is the work of minutes to convert something utterly f*cked up beyond all recognition into something eminently playable.

Definitely one of the Roland's strengths is the ease with which you can do so many tasks (editing styles, editing SMF's, editing in detail anything you want, converting MIDI into styles, editing conversion styles from one manufacturer into another) that most other keyboards need software to achieve...

Food for thought....

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#236485 - 06/21/08 04:19 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Dnj Offline
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Right you are Diki on the G70 tools a;though he is obviously asking about a yamaha PRS unit.....BUT Roland really needs to Lighten up the KB.
Simply its too heavy for every day in & out use from my needs & add TOTL 61 keys to their models.

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#236486 - 06/21/08 06:42 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
mikeathome1 Offline
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Thanks to Gary and Donny,
I have found when you transpose the claps up one octave it is a nice ride cymbal.
At least with the limited smfs I've done so far.
I use powertracks pro and it's easy to transpose just the one note in the track, as I'm sure you guys know.

And of course Diki, your lack of knowledge on so many topics continues to amaze me but thanks for hijacking yet another thread that has nothing to do with your reply.
It must be terribly lonely for you late at night so that you feel you have to reply just for the sake of replying, whether you know anything about the topic or not.


Food for thought....



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#236487 - 06/21/08 09:03 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Fran Carango Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Right you are Diki on the G70 tools a;though he is obviously asking about a yamaha PRS unit.....BUT Roland really needs to Lighten up the KB.
Simply its too heavy for every day in & out use from my needs & add TOTL 61 keys to their models.

[This message has been edited by Dnj

(edited 06-21-2008).]


The Roland E-50 already answered that bell..

Same cover and make up tools..
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#236488 - 06/21/08 10:35 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
mikeathome1 Offline
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Couldn't find an e 50 or anyone that sells them or owns one. Would have loved to look at the Roland because I know from experience nobody does the midi files better.
Remember Fran I asked you a couple weeks ago about a Roland, I think it was the discover we were talking about.
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#236489 - 06/21/08 11:12 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Fran Carango Offline
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Mike I sold both my DisCover5 keyboard and my DisCover5 M Module...They are great units for standard midi play and a terrific vocalizer...but are not arrangers..

I didn't miss a beat going to the G70..

Also the E-60 [76] would be my next logical choice..if you do not need a mic input..
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#236490 - 06/21/08 11:22 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Jerryghr Offline
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Originally posted by mikeathome1:
Thanks to Gary and Donny,

And of course Diki, your lack of knowledge on so many topics continues to amaze me but thanks for hijacking yet another thread that has nothing to do with your reply.
It must be terribly lonely for you late at night so that you feel you have to reply just for the sake of replying, whether you know anything about the topic or not.


Food for thought....

[This message has been edited by mikeathome1 (edited 06-21-2008).]


Give him some credit. He had to work hard to get 3376 posts.

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#236491 - 06/21/08 11:29 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Diki Offline
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What's up, Mike...? Feeling a little frisky, today?

The same freedom you feel to chime in on a Roland thread is, of course, not allowable on a Yamaha one?

Talk about arrogance. If you can't take it, don't dish it out..

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#236492 - 06/21/08 01:16 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Dnj Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
The Roland E-50 already answered that bell..

Same cover and make up tools..



But No Mic inputs & VH

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#236493 - 06/21/08 01:18 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Dnj Offline
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Originally posted by Jerryghr:
Give him some credit. He had to work hard to get 3376 posts.



3376 posts? that's an apprentis here

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#236494 - 06/21/08 01:33 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Diki Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jerryghr:
Give him some credit. He had to work hard to get 3376 posts.


I've never worked hard in my life (I have PLAYED hard, though!)

Typing a few words certainly doesn't qualify as work, at least in MY book... YMMV

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#236495 - 06/21/08 11:37 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
rikkisbears Offline
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Hi Mike,
not quite sure if I'm understanding your problem correctly , are your midifiles GM & your soundsource a psr ?? if so,
you could try altering the drum sets in your midifiles. The PSR's have GM drumsets as well as the sets they use for the styles.
The drum mapping is slightly different.

The handclaps may also be the result of using a Standard Kit instead of a Brush kit if the above doesn't apply.

For editing my style conversions I always keep drum table lists of any of the keyboards I've owned. This way I can compare the drums between the korg, psr, my ex rolands etc.

best wishes
Rikki

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Originally posted by mikeathome1:
Does anyone know of an easy way to get rid of handclaps in a smf? Do you know what note it is or what it is supposed to be? can I transpose it?
I know I can probaly figure it out and it's probably been discussed before but I figure if anyone has a shortcut they would like to share...thanks.
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#236496 - 06/22/08 06:03 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
Jerryghr Offline
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Registered: 01/14/02
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Loc: Buffalo, NY
Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:

3376 posts? that's an apprentis here



Donny, I just checked your stats.

So your the one causing the Global warming.

Jerry



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#236497 - 06/22/08 07:06 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
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#236498 - 06/22/08 07:10 AM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
mikeathome1 Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Loc: Syracuse NY
Thanks Riki I'll look into the brush kit, I did find some gm drum maps on the net.
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#236499 - 06/22/08 04:27 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi Mike,
you didn't say , but if you are using a psr as soundsource for gm midifiles & you have a pc sequencer try changing the bank changes from the default PSR to the GM2 drum sets within the psr
ie
changing

MSB127 to MSB120
LSB000 LSB000
at the beginning of the drum track, this should bring up the GM2 drum sets instead of the psr drum sets.

If you're actually using the psr sequencer to play the midifiles, I don't know how to do it, but I used to be able to access the internal GM2 drumsets in Style Record mode ( they were one level of folders back from the default psr drums in my psr1500.)
Can't see why they wouldn't also be available for sequencer editing mode, onboard.

Hand claps ( Midi note D#1/ Note no. 39) or on the keyboard it's note D#2, appears to be handclaps in most of the psr drumkits including the brushkit.

Wheras in the GM2 Brush Kit it's either a brush tap or a brush slap not sure off hand, which .

Your problem hopefully may be as simple as changing the Bank Change MSB127 to MSB120
in the Drum & Percussion Tracks
best wishes
Rikki

Quote:
Originally posted by mikeathome1:
Thanks Riki I'll look into the brush kit, I did find some gm drum maps on the net.
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#236500 - 06/22/08 05:26 PM Re: PSR easy way to get rid of handclaps?
mikeathome1 Offline
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Thanks Riki I'll give that a try also. I do edit the midi in power tracks on the pc then I put it on a thumb drive and play it as a song on the psr s 700. Some songs have the clap and some don't.
But on the pc using gm it is a ride cymbal but when I transfer over it comes out a hand clap.
I did find out on a couple of midis that if I transpose the d# on the drum track (ch 10)up one octave on the pc, it plays the ride cymbal instead of the hand clap on the psr.
Which to me, so far, is better than just erasing the hand clap. I've only had it (the psr) a couple of days so I've only tried it with a couple of files.

thanks again.
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