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#235763 - 06/10/08 11:14 AM Re: Decision help. Psr s900 -Pa500
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Vagro Have you considered or listen to the Ketron SD5 or Sd1+....they incorporate some of the best sounds I ever heard in an arranger KB.....could be worth a shot!
http://www.ketronus.com/demos.html

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#235764 - 06/10/08 01:44 PM Re: Decision help. Psr s900 -Pa500
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Loc: Columbia City, IN USA
Vagro,
This is really a tough one...
I have a T2 and a PA2XPRO. Both are excellant. Both are also very different.

I kind of see it this way. (not a complete list by far)

Remember I have the T2 and PA2 so that is my experience here. Everything I talk about may not be on the models you are looking at. But in general I think will be applicable.

Yamaha:
Excellant sound overall, all the sounds work nicely together. LOTS of styles available. SA voice are good, but some, including me find a learning curve and also some seem to be a little light in sound unless you play then real stacato (guitars). Sax is super , horns are cool with some nice articulations and expressions. Piano is very good. Yamaha does not make all that much use of aftertouch so most of the other sounds don't really use heavy aftertouch. I don't think the s900 has aftertouch anyways which is a show stopper to me, but the T2 does. I love aftertouch on vibrato and for building sound loudness as you press (this is great on orchestrial sounds). The Yamaha songbook feature is sorely lacking function. Hope they fix that in T3.

To control external sound module with the T2 (assume s900 is same) leaves a lot to be desired for sure. You can't program your own bank/Prohram Change data on a user voice. And you can't set a user voice to external only. I don't think Yamaha thinks that is important and they are wrong. A lot of us like to add sounds to the arranger (modules, VSTi's etc)

If you don't care about that stuff then no big deal.

The sound is excallant but not 'in your face live' like the Korg is. This is not necessarly a negative as some like that.

Yamaha has a very refined arranger function for playing the styles.

T2 can't record MP3 (wav). Sequencer is very poor for detailed editing (message level).

The Yamaha is a very complete, great sounding arranger right out of the box. If you can't find a style for a song you want to play...you haven't looked! I like that.

Korg:
Great sounds overall too. Great styles on oard, some others available but not like the Yamaha has. Also,user third party utlity programs are slim to none, but that will change in the future (Korg is getting bloodyed over this as we speak). SUPERB Piano in the PA2, not sure about the PA500.
The RX voices are very nice and do have some articulation features but it is done differently, more with velocity, aftertouch and mod wheel. I like some voices much better on the Korg and vice versa! I think the Korg is a little better for more mod music (IMHO) just because it is in your face live more. Drums are great. Percussion is great.

As to flexibilty in programing options and functions the Korg has way more. This I like, but some may not need it.
You can easily control the program selections on external sound modules. Superb feature.

Great style creation, full editing PRO sequencer, Full function songbook, dual players, record to MP3 (not sure about PA500)

THe sound engine is a full generation from the TR. It is the same basic one used in the PRO M3.

Don't know if the PA500 has aftertouch, that would be big fo me. But maybe you don't want/need it?

The Korg is great out of the box and is probably more capable of adding to, enhancing it yourself as I think it has better built in tools...BUT the Yamaha has a lot f great aftermarket tools that you can use on a PC.


I said this would be tough... Now I am thinking I left a lot out for each???

Wish you could play both, each for at least a day beacuas all this means nothing if you just like one over the other!

I would suggest you go to the mfg sites and listen to the demos...AND download and read each ones manual. And I mean really READ them. That will give you some good info for sure.

Don't know if I helped or not, hope so.

Maybe now it might be obvious why I have both? Can't decide. Wish I could blend them together! :-)

Lee
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#235765 - 06/10/08 01:58 PM Re: Decision help. Psr s900 -Pa500
vagro Offline
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Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 321
Loc: Argentina
Quote:
Originally posted by hitman:
Just for reference, the PA500 is a much better sound source than the TR. It allows you to create combinations out of 16 oscilators vs. TR's 4 oscilators.



Thanks Hitman for your opinion. The Korg Tr gives me 16 different sounds in 16 tracks in Sequence Mode with 62 voices of polyphony. The real problem is that you can't handle different effects for each sound so they lose their original configuration and the sequence effect is always applied to all with little variations. At present I use its drums and some style instruments together with 2 right hand voices. I reassigned the best sounds of the Tr in one bank which are controlled via midi from the PSR everytime I change the style and voices. But the PSR doesn't allow me to midi off local instruments within the style.
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Korg Pa3x 61 - Mediastation X76 - Yamaha Psr s900 - Korg Tr61 - Roland PK5A - NanoKontrol - Ensoniq SQ1 - Yamaha D85 organ

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#235766 - 06/10/08 03:57 PM Re: Decision help. Psr s900 -Pa500
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Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 321
Loc: Argentina
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Originally posted by mdorantes:
Hello Vagro:

It is possible to use the PK5, PK7 Roland or any midi pedal board for bass... You Just need to assign the proper midi channel in either of your choices...

... in the Korg there are group together in a User Bank that may contain 8-16 or more styles...

I also have as backup the S900, to bad you are so far, I am selling it, I do not use it at all....
Che !!, the PA800 has a wonderful New Tango, it actually has several.


Thanks for your answer Mdorantes (Tato). I use the arranger as an organ with a lower keyboard I built for it (using an old Dx27 synth) and a Roland Pk5 midi pedalboard (you can see my set up in my You Tube web page that appears in my profile). Not many of you know how amazing it is using the bass recognition function of Yamaha that assigns one or more receiving midi channels to the bass channel to play the bass accomp. When the pedal note matches the fundamental chord played by your left hand it keeps the style's normal bass line, when it doesn't match it keeps sounding rhythmicaly the note you pressed on the pedal. I don't see this function in the manual of any Korg arranger but you can play the bass note and create the pattern with your foot for sure
I was so surprised to see how different was loading sounds from the SD card in the Korg Tr. You can't do it on the fly and it takes so long. I imagine you have to load groups of styles everytime you play the Pa arranger, not very practical.
I don't play many Tango styles but some could be useful. I'm so sorry I live so far away! I would have bought your Psr s900 for 2000Us$!!! Muchas gracias che!

Victor

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Korg Pa3x 61 - Mediastation X76 - Yamaha Psr s900 - Korg Tr61 - Roland PK5A - NanoKontrol - Ensoniq SQ1 - Yamaha D85 organ

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#235767 - 06/10/08 07:03 PM Re: Decision help. Psr s900 -Pa500
Diki Offline
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 12861
Loc: NW Florida
Look, this whole 'sequencing loses the effects' stuff really doesn't apply, nowadays, because most laptops, let alone towers are easily capable of recording audio with very inexpensive interfaces. So, once you have the part edited, you commit to audio, and voilá! Your full effects (and Mastering) package for your keyboard is ready to be used on the next part.

Does it slow you down a little..? Yes. Does it make editing just a little slower (as you re-do an audio burn)? Yes. You really on THAT tight a timeline..? I didn't think so!

It's the COMBINATION of MIDI and audio recording that can make unbelievable tracks out of quite modest equipment, now. Far better than using a built-in sequencer, and having to share the effects section amongst All the parts...

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#235768 - 06/11/08 08:25 PM Re: Decision help. Psr s900 -Pa500
rikkisbears Offline
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 4442
Loc: NSW,Australia
Hi,
I kept my PSR1500 even though I rarely play it anymore. Soundwise & function wise it just doesn't compare to my PA800.
I do miss the odd PSR style, so I either convert it across to PA800 format or, the option of midiing the 2 together is always there.Pa800 for melody voices/ psr for styles.

Haven't heard either the psrs900 or the PA500, so can't really comment.

best wishes
Rikki

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Rikki

Korg PA4x, Korg PA3X, PSR S950, Band in a Box 2018
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#235769 - 06/12/08 07:43 PM Re: Decision help. Psr s900 -Pa500
vagro Offline
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Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 321
Loc: Argentina
Thanks everyone for your answers. Your comments are very helpful. Now IŽll wait for the PSR s900 to arrive to the store and IŽll try it, then IŽll negotiate the price of my PSR 1500 and see how much I have to pay. If I buy the s900, next year IŽll buy a Korg for my collection.
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Korg Pa3x 61 - Mediastation X76 - Yamaha Psr s900 - Korg Tr61 - Roland PK5A - NanoKontrol - Ensoniq SQ1 - Yamaha D85 organ

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