And I am the pro they DON'T cater to.

And my money is as good as yours

The thing Ian DOESN'T want you to do is extrapolate...

25-25 people on a TINY BBS extrapolates to HUGE numbers world wide. Unless, of course, you want to pretend that EVERY last 76 wanting Yamaha user actually DOES post here In English

I don't agree, Diki...it is very obvious that SZ is a niche forum...extrapolate all you want...the numbers just aren't there or the product would be on the shelves as we speak.

Wise people know the biggest way to fail is to try and please everybody...it just doesn't work.

Of course your money is as good as mine...but you probably have more of it than I do...I'm so poor, the mice left.


Ian

So Diki let say Yamaha does make another 76 key is that all the criteria you desire....? I dont think so.......Will those 76 keys FEEL GOOD when your playing, good key weight? etc, ...so you have great sounds & styles & 76 keys, BUT will you be happy navigationally? or with the lack of editing capabilities, makeup tools, sampler, & all the other features you need. 76 good keys is just one thing amongst many.
Then your gonna have to contend with your peers saying "look at him hehehe he's playing a Home Keyboard"

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Diki,the G70 is now out of production afik, and according to a Roland rep, via a friend I know in the industry, there is NO replacement 76 note arranger planned. Even the E-60 is out of production according to this source??

Sales are coming only from the remaining stock levels.

More is planned for the E-80/61 note range, but nothing as far as a 76. So you may have to hold on to that beast for a while, but as you said you are really happy with it so that shouldn't be a problem.

As for me, there are only 2 new G70's left in the Roland warehouse and they STILL want the original rrp from 4 years ago, way too expensive for technology that old imo, otherwise one would be sitting in my studio right now!!

Dennis

So Dennis the new Roland GX90 arranger rumors are false?

If this is fact, Dennis, then perhaps the alleged popularity of 76 note arrangers by a few SZ members is far less than described.

The G70 sold very poorly in my area, as did the E-60, so maybe the handwriting is on the wall regarding their replacements.

Ian

Yeah Donny, according to the rep (off the record so I am told), the E80's name might be changed, but they were sticking with 61 key arrangers.

There was strong talk at the start of the year about one ( a new 76er) going into development, but apparently someone, or + others at Roland didn't think it was a good idea and bailed.

Look, it could be that something IS coming, who knows with these companies, but this source reckons nothing on the horizon, 76 note-wise...Whether Roland decide in 18 months, 2 years to re-visit 76ers, only time will tell.

I just thought I would post it as Diki mentioned Roland wasn't stopping making 76 note arrangers.

The guy I know is pretty reliable, so much so, that instead of waiting to see what Roland are going to do, I bought a PA2xPro instead (AGAIN!!!).

Dennis

Just another thought I had (nothing to do with the above) Maybe Roland will do a Korg and release a super duper 61 arranger (vis-a-vis PA800) to test the waters , so to speak, and then if it goes well re-develop that inot a 76 note board, althought o be fair to KOrg, they probably had the PA2x planned all along..
Dennis

Miden or maybe Roland see all the success that Yamaha has had after dropping the 76 key 9000pro......so the will also follow suit and start only making 61 arrangers too.Follow the leader

You know, I have been buying Roland and Yamaha gear for years (first Yammie was a PF15, and then a DX7, my first Roland was the Jx3p), and one thing I have observed is they DO usually follow each other in what they are releasing and when although the when is not always parallel.

It really does not surprise me to see Roland drop the 76 note arranger from their arsenal, if indeed thay have.

Only having 61 note arrangers is HUGELY successful for Yamaha, so why wouldn't Roland stop flogging a dead horse, and adopt a similar strategy..

Who knows they, unlike Yamaha, might be planning to incorporate more arranger like functionality in the Fantom range, a sort of cross-gender pro division/consumer division beastie!!!

Or maybe add arranger functions to a bigger version of the Sonic Cell... if so, then THAT would be one killer keyboard, or module!!!

Argghhh!!! Now I am dreaming LOL!!!!

Dennis