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#233832 - 05/07/08 08:42 AM Pictures Tyros 3
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Here are the first pictures o/t Tyros 3 ! http://www.yamaha-arranger.dk/images/stories/tyros%203_1.jpg


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#233833 - 05/07/08 08:47 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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61 keys & Round Corners YES!!!!!


Hope to see more very soon as far as internal changes to styles sounds, navagation etc, etc,


Thanx for the heads up!





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#233834 - 05/07/08 08:50 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Looks like it...

No surprises ... the big 12"screen has only a 6" tft... sliders are there under the screen.... no knobs.... I counted 61 keys...probably USB host interface to replace the hard disk

Looks like just an update, nothing sensationally new....
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#233835 - 05/07/08 09:26 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Looks like it...

No surprises ... the big 12"screen has only a 6" tft... sliders are there under the screen.... no knobs.... I counted 61 keys...probably USB host interface to replace the hard disk

Looks like just an update, nothing sensationally new....


Interesting. Where did you get the pics, and are there any better ones where this came from?

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#233836 - 05/07/08 10:33 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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These pictures are FAKE! They are photoshopped from Tyros 2 pictures by a danish dealer that participated in the closed Tyros 3 demonstration at Musikmesse in Frankfurt this spring. Just to avoid any confusion.

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#233837 - 05/07/08 10:36 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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The pics look to me more like poorly executed Photoshop altered images of a Tyros2.

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#233838 - 05/07/08 10:38 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by TommyF:
These pictures are FAKE! They are photoshopped from Tyros 2 pictures by a danish dealer that participated in the closed Tyros 3 demonstration at Musikmesse in Frankfurt this spring. Just to avoid any confusion.

Kind regards,
Tommy


I doubt these are fake. If they are, the guy is extremely good at photoshop and has way too much time on his hands.

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#233839 - 05/07/08 10:47 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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#233840 - 05/07/08 11:42 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by TommyF:
These pictures are FAKE! They are photoshopped from Tyros 2 pictures by a danish dealer that participated in the closed Tyros 3 demonstration at Musikmesse in Frankfurt this spring. Just to avoid any confusion.

Kind regards,
Tommy



It's possible. If I go to a subdirectory of Donny's link:
http://www.yamaha-arranger.dk/images/

it shows this message:


[ # Hacked By Seph1roth # ]

For Protoxy Hacker Team - Operation in progress...

http://protoxyteam.altervista.org

Da Real hackers!


System Hacked by
Seph1roth
Contatto: seph1roth[at]libero[dot]it

This is the homepage of the Danish site itself where the "Tyros3" pictures appear within an article
http://www.yamaha-arranger.dk

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#233841 - 05/07/08 12:25 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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They are also promissing specifications at May 20th
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#233842 - 05/07/08 12:42 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by chony:
I doubt these are fake. If they are, the guy is extremely good at photoshop and has way too much time on his hands.



Well, the dealer say at the website that it's made in Photoshop
over a T2, and tried make a "lookalike" because it was not allowed
to take photos where the T3 was demoed.

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#233843 - 05/07/08 02:10 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Either way, its supposed to have a 12"screen and thats not a 12" screen...

Next to that, its not the looks that counts its the interrior and the quallity of the keys..
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#233844 - 05/07/08 03:42 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Take a close look at the side of the keyboards. They are not identical on picture one and picture three.
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#233845 - 05/07/08 03:46 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Take a close look at the side of the keyboards. They are not identical on picture one and picture three.
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#233846 - 05/07/08 04:06 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Taike:
Take a close look at the side of the keyboards. They are not identical on picture one and picture three.


Sharp eye, Taike.

I wouldn't bet a whole lot on these being legit.

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#233847 - 05/07/08 05:09 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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If these dealers got to preview the Tyros 3, can they give us more information about what we will get on the inside? Which new sounds, which new features?

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#233848 - 05/07/08 05:25 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Totally Fake!

Come On....
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#233849 - 05/07/08 08:24 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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It's coming soon R U Ready?

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#233850 - 05/08/08 07:25 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Whether it's fake or not depends on what you expect and what you've been led to believe.

If you're expecting a photo of the real thing it's fake.

If we're told it's a pic. of Ty2 edited in Photoshop, done by a dealer who saw Ty3 at a private demo at which cameras were not permitted, then that's not fake is it??

Just possibly inaccurate.

John

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#233851 - 05/08/08 07:35 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by jwyvern:
If we're told it's a pic. of Ty2 edited in Photoshop, done by a dealer who saw Ty3 at a private demo at which cameras were not permitted, then that's not fake is it??


It's a genuine imitation fake.
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#233852 - 05/08/08 07:23 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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The guy that saw it at Musikmesse used photoshop to edit a pic of the T2 to make the above pics 'look like' what he "saw" at Musikmesse of the T3 perhaps? If that's what he "saw" in his mind's eye with these resultant photoshop pics, all I got to say is that guy sure ain't no artist is he. God help us brothers and sisters if the T3 looks like that..

Ian (our boy from Yammie.. - has told us a little bit about the T3's looks (which he himself heard 'through the grapevine') that the stealth look is gone (as everybody and his brother stands up and cheers wildly.. ) and instead it will have a 'similar' shape as that of an S900 (without the speakers), or so it has been rumored.

>> If Yamaha wants to see a crowd go wild and break down the doors to purchase their latest/greatest, all they would have to do is post a "real" pic of a T3 with 76 keys. Yes siree, I'm telling you right now if they did, enough jaws would drop around the world that the fly population would need to be put on the endangered species list. That's how much "excitement" Yamaha would create in the arranger music world in my opinion. It would be on par with the U.S. landing on the moon or the Beatles concert at Shea Stadium in New York in 1965. >> Women keyboardists would swoon from ecstatic joy seeing a Yamaha high end arranger with more than 61 keys, boys and girls would stop calling each other names, dogs and cats would start eating from the same dish - at the same time no less.. , world leaders would resolve to treat their citizens with respect and dignity, birds would sing to their hearts content, terrorism would be a thing of the past, gasoline would drop back down to 99 cents a gallon.. , third world poverty would be on the mend, Republicans and Democrats would finally start working with each other in a bi-partisan way.. [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img], the more than a third of current married Japanese couples who don't have sex will start having sex again, the birth rate in Russia would finally start to rise again, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. - and the list goes on and on and on... [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img]

See how much GOOD Yamaha could do if they just decided to once again make a professional high-end "76" key arranger workstation? [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif[/img] The possibilites seem endless! It staggers the imagination just to think about it. [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/eek.gif[/img] [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img]

Don't hold your breath, right? [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img]

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#233853 - 05/09/08 12:10 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Seems most of us agree on that mike...


But as long as 90% of the potentiall customers are hapy with a 61 key unit its not going to happen...

But somehow they seem to forget that people want to have what they hear and see on stages, and if they see 40% more Tyros on stages that could boost their total sales by another 20%..

If Roland comes with a new arranger on level with the phantom G-series that has a nice big LCD screen, 76 keys, arx, knobs and sliders (and SA voices)... They can gain back a lot of the market they lost to Tyros.
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#233854 - 05/09/08 12:48 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a new Roland 76 note arranger either, just quietly.

I have heard there is not going to be one, and they are sticking with the 61 notes and marketing to the "home user".

Even the E60 is to get the chop, or so I have heard.

Of course this is not "gospel" but just what I have heard.

Seems the very underwhelming sales of the g70 finally may have convinced them to leave it to Korg and Ketron for 76 keys.

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#233855 - 05/09/08 03:40 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Well with Korg not giving any support for 3rd party styles on the Pa800 and Pa2X that soon leaves us with just the Ketron as an option..

And from past experiencess i'd never buy a ketron the first year after it releases...

So if i get a good bonus later this year i might be able to finally buy the Wersi ver late this year, and be able to resist the urge to buy another keyboard as i allready hav far passed the ammount needed with my current savings...

Tough i still think its a shame....
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#233856 - 05/09/08 10:14 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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@ BACHUS,

What do you mean with no 3rd party support for styles?

If you are refering to styleworks, they offer support for the PA800 / 2x style format in the STYLEWORKS XT version!

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#233857 - 05/09/08 10:18 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Bachus:
... that soon leaves us with just the Ketron as an option..

..... to finally buy the Wersi ....



Well, if the Audya are going to cost near what said on a few wbsites,
the price difference to a Wersi (Abacus Duo maybe?) will be less than
ever before.
But, a Wersi dealer looks to be very rare to find, specially here in
Scandinavia......

Happy Playing
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#233858 - 05/09/08 11:22 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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We have 3 Wersi dealers here in Holland..thats 17 million people in an area from 200x100 miles

The difference between Wersi and other brands is that you get no good deals on Wersi, the list price is actually almost equall to the sell price..

Whereas on most keys you can get your gear at about 75% of the list price....
So that still leaves me with €8500 for a complete Wersi abacus duo pro versus €3500 for a Ketron Audya..... the Audya money i have here in my pocket, but for the Wersi i am still almost €3000 short...
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#233859 - 05/09/08 11:31 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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OK... My 2 cents worth...
Yamaha PRO division told the Yamaha Home Keyboard division 'YOU CAN NOT DO A 76 KEY BOARD'
It would take business away from those PRO boys.

Not really, they are two different ball games, but I think that is what happened???

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#233860 - 05/09/08 11:56 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Well we got a price announcement by a dutch dealer...

List price of T3 will be €500 above the T2 list price.. I think that would indicate that for the US the price should be somewhere about $600 above the T2 list price...
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#233861 - 05/09/08 02:00 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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......So that still leaves me with €8500 for a complete Wersi abacus duo pro versus €3500 for a Ketron Audya..... the Audya money i have here in my pocket, but for the Wersi i am still almost €3000 short...


The prices sure are different around the world.
Quote myself from a post at the SZ Ketron Forum:

Norwegian Kroner: 55000,- (SD1+, Tyros2 and the new Korg are priced
between N.Kr. 25000,- - 30.000,- these days)

That's approximately 10400 $ , or 7150 € , or 4960£ !!

---End quote.

The price will probably, or may I say hopefully, be a bit below that
level....

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#233862 - 05/09/08 02:19 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Well we got a price announcement by a dutch dealer...

List price of T3 will be €500 above the T2 list price.. I think that would indicate that for the US the price should be somewhere about $600 above the T2 list price...


So that put the new Tyros 3 around
$4000.00 US

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#233863 - 05/09/08 03:04 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Don't you just love the strength of the dollar at the moment. . . . .

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#233864 - 05/09/08 03:05 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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When converting to US prices, just replace the € sign with the $ sign, which will give you the US pricing. (To see how accurate this conversion is, have a look at the same products on European sites and US sites)

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#233865 - 05/09/08 04:11 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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So that put the new Tyros 3 around
$4000.00 US



Then i would europeans really advise to import them...Overhere they will sell at the list price for the first 6 months after release which should be like €4700 after taxes...

I could buy one in the US for €2800 with that price....
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#233866 - 05/10/08 12:49 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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BAck to Yamaha topmodel keys with arrangers...


Currently the new YPG-series 625 top model is placed just under the S700....

Could it be that in the near future they expand this serie with something more in line with S900 or even better a clone of T3 ?


I think there is a good home market for these keyboards...and people currently owning YPG's also would love to update their portable keys with better portable keys.
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#233867 - 05/10/08 05:23 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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S900 keys are fine fast & light & very acurate.

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#233868 - 05/10/08 06:27 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Dnj:
S900 keys are fine fast & light & very acurate.


But then they are 15 keys short for my taste...
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#233869 - 05/10/08 06:37 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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But then they are 15 keys short for my taste...



Why not a Roland E-60?

It has 76 keys?

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#233870 - 05/10/08 11:12 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Tyros 3 will probably be the best "DIGITAL WORKSTATION", since it's "digital workstation" it should be able to photo copy, print, send email, browse web...
isn't that what "digital workstation" means ?

Auto-accompanimnet will be so advanced you don't even have to play, you just type what key the song is press play, it starts playing, the chords are triggered by the microphone that you sing it, you just have to press "fill" "intro" "end" etc...

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#233871 - 05/10/08 11:21 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Vadim:
Tyros 3 will probably be the best "DIGITAL WORKSTATION", since it's "digital workstation" it should be able to photo copy, print, send email, browse web...
isn't that what "digital workstation" means ?

Auto-accompanimnet will be so advanced you don't even have to play, you just type what key the song is press play, it starts playing, the chords are triggered by the microphone that you sing it, you just have to press "fill" "intro" "end" etc...



Havnt you heard everyones doing it!...
We already have that its called "DJ'ing"
or faking it in regards to anything playing with automation

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#233872 - 05/10/08 12:30 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vadim:
Tyros 3 will probably be the best "DIGITAL WORKSTATION", since it's "digital workstation" it should be able to photo copy, print, send email, browse web...
isn't that what "digital workstation" means ?

Auto-accompanimnet will be so advanced you don't even have to play, you just type what key the song is press play, it starts playing, the chords are triggered by the microphone that you sing it, you just have to press "fill" "intro" "end" etc...



Well with your description of a digitall workstation, only wersi fits that name...

But seriously ever since korg produced the M1, all synthesizers with extensive sequencing aboard are essentially named digitall workstation.
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#233873 - 05/10/08 01:10 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bachus:
Well with your description of a digitall workstation, only wersi fits that name...

But seriously ever since korg produced the M1, all synthesizers with extensive sequencing aboard are essentially named digitall workstation.

(M1 was the first to be named music workstation not digital workstation)

"Music Workstation" makes sense.

but, what's so musical about "Digital Workstation" name, almost any electronic device can be "digital workstation"

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#233874 - 05/10/08 01:12 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Havnt you heard everyones doing it!...
We already have that its called [b]"DJ'ing"

or faking it in regards to anything playing with automation

[/B]


True.

it's also surprising, how many people would rather 'listen' to dj than a keyboard/piano/organ player

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#233875 - 05/10/08 01:36 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Vadim:
True.it's also surprising, how many people would rather 'listen' to dj than a keyboard/piano/organ player


Yes.....and its GETTING WORSE Day by Day for the real musicians out there as we are almost relegated to being HOME PLAYERS versus outside gigging venues in the mainstream which dwindle year by year & converting musicians to give in, bite the bullet, remember the good old days and go the Lucrative DJ route to make a living or harness that with a day job scenario as a weekend warrior to make ends meet.. Don't be blind it's happening all over the world.

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#233876 - 05/10/08 02:08 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Well, perhaps if you would play some music from the 21st century, you might not find things so tough, Donny

Imagine a big band from the 50's, that NEVER played any music post-1925... They wouldn't have gigged much, either.

Music tastes change, technology changes (remember how Hammond's put the squeeze on big bands?) you either run with it, or get out the way...

(Just funnin' with ya', Donny. We know you are booked solid, but it jibes oddly with your bleak outlook. If you can stay booked, the DJ's aren't having it ALL their way, are they? )

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#233877 - 05/10/08 02:21 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Diki....playing today's so called music is not the key at all there are millions of people who enjoy music from the past in every genre's but here in lies the tricky part for live gigging musicians today....you MUST find your niche or slice of the pie. This is & can be accomplished through proper diligent legwork & most importantly being good enough & playing FOR THE PEOPLES wants & needs not yours which is a big downfall with many players who put themselves first. Lets just take this example....You go to a restaurant for dinner the dinner is GREAT....you enjoy it, you go home and tell your friends about the place & then you keep going back for more! It works the same way when people see you play, hire you for jobs, & listen to your music or dance. Its not rocket science its logical common sense. Place yourself in a position to be appreciated........have the goods to give them what they want & keep coming back & talking it up about you, do your homework in promotion & you'll be on your way to achieving and keeping a SLICE of the PIE regardless of being slowly decimated by all other competition..

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#233878 - 05/10/08 02:27 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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And why are we paying ANY attention to marketing buzzwords like 'Workstation'?

A word is only as good as it's contemporary usage. There isn't a SINGLE non-software arranger out there that is, in the modern sense of the word, a 'workstation'. Modern WS's ALL have multiple arpeggiators, knobs for controlling the patches, DAW functions, audio loop facilities, extremely flexible patch editing and keyboard layout abilities. Virtually NONE of which are in ANYTHING arranger based.

It's like saying that in the 20's, a 'race car' was anything that could go over 50 miles an hour, so anything today that can go that fast is a 'race car'. There's a lot of dump trucks out there I wouldn't call a 'race car'... Would you?

Let's just call a spade a spade, and leave it to the marketing directors to use the words 'manually operated earth excavator'... OK?

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#233879 - 05/10/08 02:28 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Yes.....and its GETTING WORSE Day by Day for the real musicians out there as we are almost relegated to being HOME PLAYERS versus outside gigging venues in the mainstream which dwindle year by year & converting musicians to give in, bite the bullet, remember the good old days and go the Lucrative DJ route to make a living or harness that with a day job scenario as a weekend warrior to make ends meet.. Don't be blind it's happening all over the world.



Now you know why Yamaha concentrate on Home Users- the growing market.
Not so the Pro market.

Nothing is forever. :P

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#233880 - 05/10/08 02:35 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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It's not much different when manufacturers use the word "pro" to describe an arranger.

Just another marketing ploy.

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#233881 - 05/10/08 02:35 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Donny... Just take a look at your last post, and then the one before it... Talk about bipolar!

I hate to say this, but DJ's have had a prominent role in modern entertainment since the seventies (and earlier), and, as far as I have seen, aren't an any more serious roadblock to a good musician working nowadays than they were back then. The cream always rises to the top.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

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#233882 - 05/11/08 01:35 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Well i know why Yamaha is concentrating effords on the home market...


A tyros sells for much more money then an 88 key weihted Motif....
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#233883 - 05/11/08 03:57 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Bachus:
Well i know why Yamaha is concentrating effords on the home market...

A tyros sells for much more money then an 88 key weihted Motif....


Correctomundo.

Very small market for pro arrangers and a very small market for pro 76 note arrangers.

In this case "home" is where the money is...not the heart.

Yamaha's 88 note weighted action arrangers, the CVP series, are doing quite well...of course, they are "home" instruments.

So are the 88 and 76 note YPG-series(DGX in Canada)...again, "home" instruments.

It will be interesting to see how Korg's PA2XPRO does in the market place, and even more interesting to see if Roland makes a 76 note G70 replacement...rumors abound that there will be no new E-60 or G70 and that Roland will concentrate on 61 key arrangers only, leaving the 76 notes to the workstations.

Again, only rumors...but sometimes where there is smoke...

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#233884 - 05/11/08 04:30 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Korg covered all aspects with the PA1x as it came in 2 versions, 1 which had 61 notes and inbuilt speakers (PA1x) and 1 which had 76 notes and no speakers. (PA1x Pro)
As the 61 note version sold more then the 76 note version, there is no reason to believe that Korg will not do the same with the PA2x.

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#233885 - 05/11/08 04:46 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Bill,

If the PA2xPRO is the only "new" 76 note arranger this year, it will surely do pretty good, having no real competition.

What do you think?

Ian
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#233886 - 05/11/08 05:58 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
...rumors abound that there will be no new E-60 or G70 and that Roland will concentrate on 61 key arrangers only, leaving the 76 notes to the workstations.

Ian


I love that rumor

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#233887 - 05/11/08 06:18 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dnj:
Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
[b] ...rumors abound that there will be no new E-60 or G70 and that Roland will concentrate on 61 key arrangers only, leaving the 76 notes to the workstations.

Ian


I love that rumor

[/B]



Probably nothing to it, Donny...I can't see Roland not making a new G-series.

Ian


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#233888 - 05/11/08 06:36 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Its the 61 key part that I like

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#233889 - 05/11/08 06:39 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Aye , overhere in europe the E60 is even selling better then the e50...

Which indicates that we're not the only people realising that 76 keys have so much more use...

With my little neffew looking for a keyboard, i contacted an old friend of mine that also teaches keyboard classes, He advises his pupils to go for 76 keys if possible, and he's not the only keyboard teacher that does so...



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#233890 - 05/11/08 06:47 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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The E-60 and G70 are not doing well here in Eastern Canada.

Only one E-60 and one G70 were sold here, which is strange, as they are fine instruments.

Keyboard/piano teachers in my area recommend 88 note weighted action...it is needed to develop finger strength, which will suffer if a semi-weighted or non-weighted keybed is used.

Of course, arranger keyboard only lessons would not require any more than 61 keys.

Ian

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#233891 - 05/11/08 10:07 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Bill,

If the PA2xPRO is the only "new" 76 note arranger this year, it will surely do pretty good, having no real competition.

What do you think?

Ian


If the PA2xPRO does not have the sounds styles and OS that people want, then whether it does well or not would not be a result of it being 76 keys but more its internal workings.

It is the same thing that is happening to Roland and Yamaha. If the G70 is not doing well it is because the sounds styles and OS is not what persons are looking for. The supposed Tyros success (61) is because persons like the sounds, styles and OS not because it is 61 keys.


Most piano teachers recommend an 88 key real piano. If that can not be had then they recommend an 88 key digital keyboard.
Most of the time those are not options because of price and space. So the compromise and what is recommended is a 76 keyboard.

As we all know you get the most use with an arranger 76 key keyboard and it helps the beginning player find his or her’s interest whether piano playing, organ, strictly keyboard playing or arranger playing or being proficient in all of them.
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#233892 - 05/11/08 10:24 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by to the genesys:

As we all know you get the most use with an arranger 76 key keyboard and it helps the beginning player find his or her’s interest...


I'm surprised you feel the need to say "we" as if you are speaking for the whole group...the consensus on 76 notes, at least here on SZ, was about 50/50 if you had been following the poll.

Beginners should be using 88 weighted keys...ask any qualified teacher.

I get by just peachy with 61 keys...you may not be able to (or not want to) adapt to five octaves, but there are many of us who do.

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#233893 - 05/11/08 10:36 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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If anyone's still interested in the Tyros3 saga
read here: http://www.yamahapkowner.com/forum/index.php?topic=10833.new#new


4th post down

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#233894 - 05/11/08 10:49 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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76 wars again...?

Can anyone see his shadow?

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#233895 - 05/11/08 10:53 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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“Beginners should be using 88 weighted keys”
Wow! you got that right.

Unfortunately financial and logistical limitations prevent that from happening in the real world.


The pole only asked which one do people want 61, 76 or 88. My comment was stating that “you get the most use with an arranger 76 key.” Meaning that there are things you can do with a 76 key that you can not do on a 61. However, anything you can do on a 61 you can do on a 76.

If the pole was further examined, I am sure we would find that most of the 50% who stated they wanted 61 keys were doing so thinking that a 76 key arranger had to be heavy big and bulky and cost much more than a 61.
Naturally, when they think 76 key arranger, they think Roland G70 and Korg PA1X pro (heavy big and bulky).

If the question were asked a different way, the answer may be different. Don’t you just love market research?
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#233896 - 05/11/08 10:54 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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76 wars again...?

Can anyone see his shadow?


Naaah, Diki...we can just make referrals to the old topic...at least for those with short memories.

We can't be that desperate for something to yada yada about.

You playin' today?

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#233897 - 05/11/08 11:00 AM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by to the genesys:
[B
If the pole was further examined, I am sure we would find that most of the 50% who stated they wanted 61 keys were doing so thinking that a 76 key arranger had to be heavy big and bulky and cost much more than a 61. [/B]


We examined it very thoroughly and we did not come to that conclusion, but I guess you can read whatever you want(or imagine)it to be.

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#233898 - 05/11/08 12:09 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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why would you want more than 61 keys on the arranger.

1 octave for triggering auto-accomp. and few notes on the right to play solos

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#233899 - 05/11/08 12:32 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by Vadim:
why would you want more than 61 keys on the arranger.

1 octave for triggering auto-accomp. and few notes on the right to play solos

http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/000903.html

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#233900 - 05/11/08 12:45 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Holy hearts...

This same discussion was allready done like 8 years ago....
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#233901 - 05/11/08 02:36 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Holy hearts...

This same discussion was allready done like 8 years ago....




All anyone needs to do is a SEARCH on SZ on whatever topic you need & you'll find a wealth of information discussed my consumate professionals who know what they are talkig about.

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#233902 - 05/11/08 02:56 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by jwyvern:
If anyone's still interested in the Tyros3 saga
read here: http://www.yamahapkowner.com/forum/index.php?topic=10833.new#new


4th post down

John


I think everyone missed out on this info in that post......

Quote:
· The instrument will be called "Tyros3".
· In Tyros3 will be a whole new soundchip source of all Voices. This chip include a development of "SuperArticulation" technology ( "SuperArticulation2") - there will be a great deal to look forward to! All the familiar sounds from the Tyros2 is also on board in the new instrument.
· Tyros3 is also equipped with a new "drawbar" section, which finally meets today's requirements for Hammond simulations, etc.
· Many will be happy with that Tyros3 now endlig can play MP3 files, like the USB ports are now working after the faster 2.0 minutes.
· Instead of the known + / - buttons below the display by Tyros2, by Tyros3 now sliders, similar to those we know from MotifES, Roland G-70/E-80. These can be used either as "organ-drawbars" or to adjust the volume / effects, etc.
· The display is not only grown - it can now even adjusted the angle electronically.
· Tyros3 have the same 61 keys keyboard as Tyros2.
· Tyros3 ready by dealers around October 2008 and will cost the same as a Tyros2.
Plus, Tyros3 may:
· 8 OTS seats per. style instead of the 4 have so far been standard.
· A completely new and very authentic new grand piano
· A newly developed "Vocal Harmony" section with Pitch-Correction
· The fact that stylesformatet now contains 8 OTS instead of 4 will be stylesektionen strongly enlarged - without prejudice to the compatibility with all previous YAMAHA instruments are lost.
· 2 DSP chips per. soundgroup (Upper 1, Upper 2, etc.) and new power-algorithms
A dealer who has seen the instrument at the fair has even tried it in Photoshop, as it was absolutely prohibited carry mobile phones or cameras at messepræsentationen. The result can beskues here and show NOT the final design but something which is very similar to this effect:
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#233903 - 05/11/08 04:24 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Question...
Why is the CVP series so successful as a HOME keyboard, But it has 88 KEYS!
I think I heard here it is a 88 key arranger and I would agree.

I think because it does not compete with the Motif's (PRO boards, from PRO divison).

I think the folks at Yamaha arranger division would love to offer an OPTION of 76 keys... but have een told No Way Hose'

By the PRO division on Yamaha that sells Motif.

If so, that means the Motif boys at Yammie must think quite a lot of the Tyros 2, or why would they be concerned? I think the Tyros SA sounds better than Motif!

After all even if the 76 would not sell but 1/3 of the 61's it would be easy to offer one at a higher price of course = more money for Yammie.

So that said, we prabably won't see a 76 from Yamaha as it is a political issue, not that they don't think it would sell, or that they don't care what we want.

I'm ok with a 61 as long as I can make a 2nd lower manunal work with it. That works fine with a T2

Don't ya just hate politics? :-)

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#233904 - 05/11/08 05:04 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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The killer for Yamaha will be if they have a songbook like Korg which has the ability to save detailed setups by song rather than by registration.

Then they will mop up many Korg/ Roland enthusiasts.

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#233905 - 05/11/08 05:29 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Quote:
Originally posted by Vadim:
why would you want more than 61 keys on the arranger.

1 octave for triggering auto-accomp. and few notes on the right to play solos


To give you room to play more than one fingered chords in the left hand, you can have two or more splits in the right hand and just the freedom to play as you like without any major restrictions or compromises you have to make with a 61.
But no need to discuss this again this topic has been covered before.
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#233906 - 05/11/08 05:30 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by PraiseTheLord:
The killer for Yamaha will be if they have a songbook like Korg which has the ability to save detailed setups by song rather than by registration.

Then they will mop up many Korg/ Roland enthusiasts.

Graham


DITTO!!! Me included!! T3 sounds very interesting.

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#233907 - 05/11/08 05:46 PM Re: Pictures Tyros 3
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Originally posted by PraiseTheLord:
The killer for Yamaha will be if they have a songbook like Korg which has the ability to save detailed setups by song rather than by registration.

Then they will mop up many Korg/ Roland enthusiasts.

Graham


Ive been asking for the MFD to save transpose & other vital setups & Multi-modes scenarios for years....KORG leads this in so many ways over all others. Now if they can make them all work INDEPENDENTLY & SIMULTANEOUSLY they may have a winner.

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