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#222418 - 12/05/07 06:36 AM Re: KORG PA2X
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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The Tyros2's replacement has been under development for many months, and anything we could propose would be a bit too late.

Ian
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#222419 - 12/05/07 09:53 AM Re: KORG PA2X
keybplayer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
Posts: 2417
Loc: CA
Couldn't there be a possibility of surprising us with a 76 key version along with the 61 key version? Like they did with the PSR 9000 and then coming out with the 9000PRO shortly thereafter? But instead of waiting a year with the 9000PRO, have an immediate release along with the 61 like they do with the Motif line?

I'm telling you Ian, Yamaha would not be disappointed if they chose to release a 76 key version T3. Breaking into that market again would only go to further enhance and strengthen Yamaha's marketshare, not lessen it in any way in my opinion. For one thing they would be giving Korg and Roland a run for their money and be in the competitive thick of things in that segment of the market once again. By choosing not to go the 76 key route with their TOTL arrangers it is slowly, "and perhaps imperceptibly to them", {but not to us looking at it from the outside}, it is chipping away at their dominance in the keyboard marketplace. You cannot deny the fact that there are many, many, keyboard musicians who would rather have 76 keys vs. a 61 key version if the alternative was presented to them. Just listen to the members on SZ who have voiced in favor of 76 keys and multiply that the world over and you can see the potential market that exists. Roland and Korg are seizing upon the opportunity and it befuddles me why Yamaha has thus far choosen not to. The market exists, if it didn't do you think Roland and Korg would still be churning them out? Yamaha needs to get over its pity party with the 9000PRO flop and move on!

I'm only trying to stir their emotions and get them to rise up and boldly go where no man has gone before. Oops..! Seems Roland and Korg are continuing to do that very thing as we speak - but Yamaha has a chance (theoretically that is) to pull up alongside and eventually overtake them to infinity and beyond!

I'll tell you what... Have Yamaha make one 76 key T3, I'll buy it right off the bat, and when they realize people are actually buying the darn thing they can start producing more as they see fit and as the market dictates. >>> They would be busy beavers year round' trying to keep up with the demand in my opinion.

Best,
Mike
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#222420 - 12/05/07 10:03 AM Re: KORG PA2X
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5117
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by keybplayer:
Couldn't there be a possibility of surprising us with a 76 key version along with the 61 key version? Like they did with the PSR 9000 and then coming out with the 9000PRO shortly thereafter? But instead of waiting a year with the 9000PRO, have an immediate release along with the 61 like they do with the Motif line?

I'm telling you Ian, Yamaha would not be disappointed if they chose to release a 76 key version T3. Breaking into that market again would only go to further enhance and strengthen Yamaha's marketshare, not lessen it in any way in my opinion. For one thing they would be giving Korg and Roland a run for their money and be in the competitive thick of things in that segment of the market once again. By choosing not to go the 76 key route with their TOTL arrangers it is slowly, "and perhaps imperceptibly to them", {but not to us looking at it from the outside}, it is chipping away at their dominance in the keyboard marketplace. You cannot deny the fact that there are many, many, keyboard musicians who would rather have 76 keys vs. a 61 key version if the alternative was presented to them. Just listen to the members on SZ who have voiced in favor of 76 keys and multiply that the world over and you can see the potential market that exists. Roland and Korg are seizing upon the opportunity and it befuddles me why Yamaha has thus far choosen not to. The market exists, if it didn't do you think Roland and Korg would still be churning them out? Yamaha needs to get over its pity party with the 9000PRO flop and move on!

I'm only trying to stir their emotions and get them to rise up and boldly go where no man has gone before. Oops..! Seems Roland and Korg are continuing to do that very thing as we speak - [b]but
Yamaha has a chance (theoretically that is) to pull up alongside and eventually overtake them to infinity and beyond!

I'll tell you what... Have Yamaha make one 76 key T3, I'll buy it right off the bat, and when they realize people are actually buying the darn thing they can start producing more as they see fit and as the market dictates. >>> They would be busy beavers year round' trying to keep up with the demand in my opinion.

Best,
Mike [/B]


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#222421 - 12/05/07 10:07 AM Re: KORG PA2X
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10603
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Mike...SZ is not a good representation of a home arranger market....the Tyros and S-series are first and foremost, home arrangers, although some pros choose to use them.

A 76 note Tyros or S-series arranger is not in the cards, not now, or in the immediate future.

That's just the way it is.

Buy the Korg...it is a great instrument...or perhaps Roland's G70 replacement, whenever(or if ever) it comes out.

Ian
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#222422 - 12/05/07 11:54 AM Re: KORG PA2X
Tom NL Offline
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Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 181
Loc: Holland
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Originally posted by keybplayer:
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It's interesting that you didn't notice an SA quality in the guitars Tom. When I listened to the guitar .mp3 demos on the korgpa.com site I sensed a realism on par or even superior to the SA guitars on the Tyros2. Hearing them in person may lead to a different conclusion but if the mp3's are any indication of their overall quality Yamaha should be trembling in their boots I would think. That is unless Yamaha has something even better up their sleeve prepared for the T3. And I wouldn't doubt it one bit if they did have. Although the T3 is another year, year and a half away. The Pa2x is right here right now. Decisions decisions... But if there is going to be no 76 key T3 they lost [b]my
money. .........
Best,
Mike [/B]


You're right Mike, there is always something new just around the corner. This board is right here and now. Although I am not (yet?) a big fan of the OS and the double functions of the sound group buttons on Korg arrangers, I think the main reason I like the PA800 and PA2X a lot because they don't seem to have any "weak" sounds. All the sounds I tried have the same high quality as opposed to the G70, that has some superb sounds as well as some mediocre and a few that are not very good. Although the Tyros2 has the edge when it comes to the realism of the SA voices, let's be honest, it also has a few weak sounds. I know this is subjective, so don't shoot me. It's just my personal experience...



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#222423 - 12/06/07 01:11 AM Re: KORG PA2X
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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#222424 - 12/06/07 06:33 AM Re: KORG PA2X
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2866
Loc: Tampa, FL
I was told the Korg Pa2xpro's sound engine is the same sound engine that is stamped in the M3 and Oasys workstations.

I've played both of those keyboards and even just ordered the M3. If that is indeed true, the Pa2xpro will be a powerhouse. The sonic definition and detail in the voices actually makes you take notice. It's crystal clear but it also doesn't sound processed or compressed like the Tyros2. The orchestral voices simply took my breath away.

I predict the Pa2xpro will be a winner in 2008 for professional players.
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#222425 - 12/06/07 06:46 AM Re: KORG PA2X
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Loc: USA
keep us posted after you get your Pax2 the more info the better.....

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#222426 - 12/06/07 07:13 AM Re: KORG PA2X
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10603
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by kbrkr:

I predict the Pa2xpro will be a winner in 2008 for professional players.


No doubt it will...can't wait to try one myself...perhaps my local store, which, though huge, rarely, if ever, stocks Korg keyboards/arrangers, will make an exception in this case.

Of course, we must remember...Roland may have a new G70 replacement up it's sleeve...that would make things very interesting.
Ian
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