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#218670 - 08/28/07 07:50 PM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
Diki Offline


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At the expense of constantly NEEDING that control input, no matter HOW repetitive the changes need to be...

You all know where I'm going, here (haven't whined in a couple of weeks or more!), but I must admit, I would rather have to be in arranger mode ALL the time with a Chord Sequencer to cover the times I want to use BOTH hands, than have to use SMFs and Markers to do the same thing...

I, too, LOVE the freedom that arranger mode gives you, but the price you pay if you don't have some way of handing off (pun intended!) the chord chores for those moments you DO want to use both hands, is a bit too high, most of the time...

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#218671 - 08/28/07 08:30 PM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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hes getting fat again lol



I noticed that .....not easy keeping it off.



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#218672 - 08/28/07 08:34 PM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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Not having a chord sequencer doesn't seem to bother Michel Voncken.

It matters very little to me either, for that matter.

I remember my old Roland E-70 had one...I didn't use it very much and neither did a lot of other users, or Roland probably wouldn't have eventually dropped it.

Ian
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#218673 - 08/28/07 09:15 PM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
Not having a chord sequencer doesn't seem to bother Michel Voncken.

It matters very little to me either, for that matter.

I remember my old Roland E-70 had one...I didn't use it very much and neither did a lot of other users, or Roland probably wouldn't have eventually dropped it.


Well as long as you and Michael didn't use it, I guess the dozens of players that said they DO miss it don't count...

The fact was, Roland didn't exactly go out of their way to educate users (especially the 'home' ones so dear to your heart) or promote the feature, and, as a demonstrator yourself, you must be only too aware that education is the way to get users more interested in things other than the basics.

You had better pray that Yamaha don't remove every feature from the S900 that the majority of 'home' users don't use much...

As to it not bothering top demonstrators... well, I guess, just like yourself, in public they feel it their job to present the product in it's most appealing light (especially as Yamaha's never HAD a Chord Sequencer - it's hard to miss something you never had), but trust me, I HAVE talked to a top Roland demonstrator privately, and he admits that he STILL uses a G1000 for his OWN gigs, rather than an E80 or G70 (which he has access to) simply because of the Chord Sequencer.

The list of favorite features that inexplicably gets dropped is a long and by no means exclusively Roland one. No doubt you have a few yourself. Do you think that YOUR favorite 'dropped' features were useless, or is that just other's?

So far, I haven't talked to a single player that DID use the CS that doesn't miss it, and badly. No doubt there are many features of the S900 that you know don't get used a whole lot by the majority of 'home' users. Do you want Yamaha to drop them?

I get accused of arrogance here quite a bit, but do you think your attitude of 'well, I didn't use it, so what possible value could it have had?' doesn't come off the same way..? Ditto 'I love the PSR key-feel, so everybody else MUST be wrong' etc., etc.. One of the benefits of public fora is you soon get a feel for what are the majority opinions, and what are the minority, despite how many times they post to say the same thing.

Trust me, Ian, I can count FAR more posts from players that say the miss the CS than I do from players saying they prefer the PSR key-feel over all other's...

And trust me, once again, Ian, if the S900 DID have a Chord Sequencer, Michael Voncken would be promoting it as enthusiastically as any other feature. And so would you...
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#218674 - 08/28/07 10:47 PM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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I have to point out something that may seem to be extremely obvious to the rest of you. The ability to record onto the USB stick seems to be something that could possibley be a firmware upgrade for all of us Tyros 2 owners. I personally would like to have that feature for the convenience.
Does anyone else think that it could be a firmware update for the Tyros 2?

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Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts
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#218675 - 08/28/07 11:01 PM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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Originally posted by TwoNuts:
The ability to record onto the USB stick . . . for all of us Tyros 2 owners. I personally would like to have that feature for the convenience.


Hi Dennis. Hey, how've you been? I agree with you whole heartedly about having the direct to USB stick record feature on T2, but knowing Yamaha's track record with firmwire at that this stage in the keyboard's life cyle, I seriously doubt their gonna be releasing any more firmware updates. I hope they'll prove me wrong. - Scott
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#218676 - 08/29/07 03:47 AM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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Diki,

Perhaps you do get accused of arrogance quite often...but that's okay buddy, I still like you.

If Roland wasn't smart enough to "educate" their CS users, that could be part of the reason, but I seriously doubt if it is the only one...the feature just wasn't that useful to the average user, or for a lot of pros either.

You must remember...I did demos for Roland for several years, as well as with Yamaha whilst I worked in a large music store chain...so I do have more insider information than you think.

Showing the CS was always a part of the demo.

My sympathy goes out to people like you, that needed/wanted/used it, but sadly, judging by the meagre support it got on this forum, it has gone the way of the dodo.

Key feel is subjective...the PSR range sells like gangbusters in spite of you and the minuscule number of people who seem not to like it...the CS was just another flop for Roland...partly their own fault, as you point out, and partly because it just wasn't all that useful IMO.

Ian

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#218677 - 08/29/07 08:00 AM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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Registered: 01/28/05
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Loc: Oradea, RO
i miss michel's vivacity from the older presentations.
what happened? maybe now the features presented are not that exciting anymore...?
nevertheless, michel is a great demonstrator!
nice keyboard s900...
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#218678 - 08/29/07 09:01 AM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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Although well played...I also thought Michele was about done mentally with PSR/Tyros/S-series demonstrating looking at that video..... His Mind, Body & soul was definitly not into it. & that Bavarian song snipit?

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#218679 - 08/29/07 12:13 PM Re: official S700/900 movie demo by Michel Voncken
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Registered: 05/28/06
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Loc: ap
Hi Friends,
I enjoyed watching this video and the S700 live grand piano effect is great just like watching a movie.
I wan't to know whether this back ground effect came from keyboard or created in video recording?can we get that same grand piano sound effect heard in this video from s700/900 built-in speakers?

Thanks
Sunny.

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