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#216531 - 08/24/05 06:37 AM Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
MartyParty Offline
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Registered: 08/24/05
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Loc: New Haven, CT USA
Hi, I just learned about this site yesterday, and it's very informative!
I would like to know which keyboard everyone likes better...the PA1X or the 9000. Also Does anyone have the 9000 with speakers? I write a lot of Christian Pop and New Country, and I'm looking for the closest real sounds to the music on the radio. Thanks, Marty

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#216532 - 08/24/05 08:30 AM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
DonM Online   elvis
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Welcome aboard. The 9000 is yesterday's news. To make a fair comparison, you'd have to compare the Tyros, or the just-being-released Tyros II to the PA1X.
The 9000 DOES have speakers. It is quite heavy compared to Tyros.
However, between the two keyboards you asked about, the Korg would be far better. Also more expensive.
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#216533 - 08/24/05 11:29 AM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
MartyParty Offline
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Registered: 08/24/05
Posts: 23
Loc: New Haven, CT USA
Hi Don,

Thanks for the input. I do have the Kprg PA80, and it sounds great. Is it worth to upgrade to the pa1x?

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#216534 - 08/24/05 11:40 AM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
DonM Online   elvis
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Oh yes, definitely. Newer, more powerful, able to leap tall buildings with a single bound--no that's Superman isn't it.
I had a PA80 and loved the sounds, but didn't like the fill-ins, endings, intros. I understand that has been much improved on the PA1X.
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#216535 - 08/24/05 01:45 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
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Registered: 05/02/02
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Loc: Vancouver, Washington. USA
I really beg to differ about the 9000 being old news. I happen to have one and really don't beleive that the Tyros is much better. Certainly I did not see any reason to upgrade to it.The sounds from the Tyros to my ears were not any better, and the rythem patterns did not seem to different from what I had aquired from the Yamaha CVP 207. I have been very pleased with all the functionality of the 9000 and it has a very good sound base as well as a great amplification system built in. Everyone complains about the weight of it, but everyone wants Yamaha to build keyboards just for them. ie, with onboard speakers or without. With 76 key or with 61. With sampling or without. The list could go on and on. I have concluded that the giggin' musician going out every! weekend would not need onboard speakers. The 9000 uses real wood speaker inclosures that do add considerable weight. However they provide some excellent sound reproduction as well. I have added to the weight of my system with a hard drive,USB port,64 megs of extra sampling ram and a much needed power converter into my 9000. I am still happy to carry it to where ever I am going because I know that I have all that I need in this one board. As far as the Korg product goes, you really have nothing more to do then sample each product and decide what you like. Don't let anyone tell you the 9000 is old news. The Tyros has what I think are modest upgrades over the 9000. If the Tyros 2 can provide greater improvements than the Tyros 1 did, it may indeed be worth the upgrade price. But we will all have to wait and see how that plays out later this year.

JUST MY 2 Cents Worth...

Dennis ALmond
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#216536 - 08/24/05 03:50 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
DonM Online   elvis
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
No problem here Dennis. Whatever makes you happy. IMO, the megavoices alone are worth the ugrade to Tyros though. Not to mention the large color display, reduction in weight, improved piano sample, and more.
I just talked to an old friend who is still using Technics KN1000 and won't even consider changing. It does the job for him.
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#216537 - 08/25/05 01:13 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
Frostbyte Offline
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Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 44
Loc: World Citizen
I love my Pa1XPro.

I also played the Tyros and the PSR9000. I feel more comfortable with the "musicality" of the Pa1XPro. Is that too vague?

I feel like I am playing an instrument with the Pa1XPro; with the TYROS I felt like I was mixing and producing. The Yamaha sounds a bit too "canned" - almost like the end result with the Pa1XPro is to hear a band play a song, and with the TYROS the end result was to hear a CD play it.

I am not trying to slam or put down the Yamaha. I just really, really , really like the Korg.

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#216538 - 08/25/05 04:41 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
loungelyzard Offline
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Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 535
Loc: North Eastern Calif.
MartyParty:

Big Welcome
I have a psr9000 with speakers, imo the best sounding onboards of anything out there. I love em, best set of monitors you can get. The pro is a top keyboard and I love the 76 keys, but the sound from the psr is my piece of cake. You can tweak/blend to about any sound you like, the guitars I get sound better to my ear than the mega voice guitars. (don't get me wrong they sound terrific, but I'm a guitarist and they don't sound like any guitars I'v ever seen or owned.) They're too studio for my taste.
So its a matter of what you're doing with the keyboard and if you're a player/performer or a music builder. Move around a lot/or/stay in the studio. want keys with more acoustic feel, or are you a two fisted player who wants 88 weighted or what. Then there's the guys who get comfortable with one and keep it forever. and then those who stay up to the latest tech and go for the stars.

Most of these modern arrangers are super keyboards that most of these guys would have killed for a few years back, encluding myself. I've passed on the tyros, and the pax1pro and the roland g-70 and the korgs, I just like the psr9k's sound and feel and you can't knock it over or off the tyros stand. It's built like a tank and weights about the same.

For Gospel and Country and I seem to get a lot of this because of where I live, The psr 9000 works great and should run about a thousand plus for one or about 12 hundred for a pro. Be advised you can get a new 3000 yammi for about 1500 and its a great keyboard with a lot of updates. Or wait a few days and take a look at the new tyII for probably about 3400 (my guess)

Better give this book a title hows bout
(old dinasorehead clings to 9000)
That because its sett'n on my foot LOL

Hey: TwoNuts: How"d you get a USB port in your 9000, would really be interested to know how this is done?? I have a adapter from scuzzy to Usb I'm fixing to try out.
Cheers ...... Pose
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#216539 - 08/25/05 05:41 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
MartyParty Offline
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Registered: 08/24/05
Posts: 23
Loc: New Haven, CT USA
Hey Loungelyzard,

Thanks for the nice imput on the 9000!
How would you compare the sound of the
9000 to the Yamaha 3000? Are the drums,
bass etc. about the same, or is the 9000
more real sounding?

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#216540 - 08/25/05 08:21 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
mdorantes Offline
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Registered: 11/25/00
Posts: 1192
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
Hi, the 9000 is old news, it has the aged technology if you compare it to the 3000 even for a "smaller" model, it sound better, has the Megavoices,an overall improved sounds, user interface, USB & smart media that in a way, makes obsolete the need of a hard drive (optional on the 9000).....so...the 3000 is better that way.
Construction wise,
9000 metal
3000 plastic
I would still go for the NEW PSR 3000 board.

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#216541 - 08/25/05 09:49 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
strojnik Offline
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Registered: 05/30/05
Posts: 15
Loc: Slovenija, Europe
Hi MartyParty!

Just try KORG Pa1x......


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Igor
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#216542 - 08/25/05 11:07 PM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
TwoNuts Offline
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Registered: 05/02/02
Posts: 430
Loc: Vancouver, Washington. USA
I'm about to go for broke with my last two cents on this matter. Mega voices are almost worthless in the tyros since you can't play them....My Cd player works about the same way. When the computer plays it it sound pretty good, but when I spin it on my finger it just doesn't sound the same. Until Mega voicing is playable it is as I already stated...almost worthless. And please don't even get started on how the 3000 is a better board than the 9000. Give me a break! I have USB and a hard drive and a video card and a SCSI port and a floppy disk and 65 Megs of Ram and Multiple inputs and outputs and thats just off the top of my head what this thing has. This subject should be flaming! Everyone is going to have their favorite board and their reasons for loving it so. The age of this keyboard does not religate to obsolesence just yet. Yamaha has yet to make anything that is a quantum leap above the 9000 series keyboards. I imagine soon enough it will happen...but not yet!

IMNSHO...(in my not so humble opinion)

Dennis L. Almond
What's Shakin' Scott Yee?
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#216543 - 08/26/05 06:05 AM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
MartyParty Offline
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Registered: 08/24/05
Posts: 23
Loc: New Haven, CT USA
I just downloaded some demo samples of the PA1X and I don't hear much of a differance then my PA80. I think I will persue the Yamaha 9000, or wait for the Tyros Two......
Or am I TwoNuts?

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#216544 - 08/26/05 09:10 AM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
BEBOP Offline
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Registered: 01/02/00
Posts: 3781
Loc: San Jose, California
Quote:
Originally posted by MartyParty:
I just downloaded some demo samples of the PA1X and I don't hear much of a differance then my PA80. I think I will persue the Yamaha 9000, or wait for the Tyros Two......
Or am I TwoNuts?


I have a nearly unused psr9000 in my home studio. I have added hard drive, 65 mgs ram and two foot pedals and still don't like it. I have the original shipping box, manuals, etc. I am a technics owner player with 4 technics. Make me an offer.
In california.
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#216545 - 08/26/05 09:11 AM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
loungelyzard Offline
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Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 535
Loc: North Eastern Calif.
MartyParty:

I've only heard the 3000 on mp3's and the computer, I've also heard the 9000 on mp3's and the computer, the sound seems better for the 3000.......BUT in my studio the 9000 tweaked and running thru my logitech 5500 or my behringer 1200's sounds much better than anything else I've heard on mp3's or cd's and as good as any electronic device creating actual instruments that I've been fortunate to hear.

All these keyboards do a terrific job and the 9k is just my preferrence for what I do.
My next choice would be the 3000 and not the tyros just because of the speakers, as the psr9000 opposed to the 9000 pro because of the speakers. actually I have the use of the pro at church which I installed in a permament setting about 3 years ago, and the pro was chosen because someone not knowing about electronic boards can just hit on, and play piano with both hands. eliminating having a acoustic taking up space.

Just my opinion, I'm not into the arranger part of these boards that much, but still like to fiddle around with the goodies, and hope someday to get more involved in style making etc. I'm convinced that if you play around with any of these keyboards, they'll almost do anything you can conceive in your mind and there's a way to get what your after. (Granted the newer does it easier and maybe better) but seems like the newer ones leave out great features of the old, but also has things the old dosn't have.

Also seems like all of us is destined to buy several before we come up with the one we like, then Bam they come out with some new bells and whistles, ya just gotta have.
My 9k's days may be numbered as I type, the tyII may do it (the tyI didn't) all because of the wooden speaker boxes onboard with 65 watt amp, the better key feel, the many little items like 3way split board,scat voices, the adjustments that lets a grand piano sound like a grand when you hit it hard etc etc. They all have adjustments but the 9000's do a great job and still give a hint of a real set of keys, and let you tear up a acordian tune, or do a little flamingo on the guitar.....

That's the way I like it ahuh ahuh.......Pose
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#216546 - 08/27/05 09:54 AM Re: Korg PA1X or Yamaha 9000
MartyParty Offline
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Registered: 08/24/05
Posts: 23
Loc: New Haven, CT USA
Quote:
Originally posted by BEBOP:
I have a nearly unused psr9000 in my home studio. I have added hard drive, 65 mgs ram and two foot pedals and still don't like it. I have the original shipping box, manuals, etc. I am a technics owner player with 4 technics. Make me an offer.
In california.


BeBop,

I emailed you yesterday, and I don't know if you are recieveing it. My number is 203 467-0700

Thanks,
Marty

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