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#207474 - 05/10/03 10:51 AM
Re: what you don't like about synth zone
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I try these days to take most things in life just a tad less seriously than I used too, and of course the forum is no exception. Illness / Injury along with thinking through the reality that I'm only here for a short time and then when I'm gone, I'm gone, has contributed a lot to the way I view things today. In spite of some physical impairment, I am fortunate enough that I can still function and do most of what I want to do. So.. I choose to try to enjoy myself and take things a bit lighter as much as possible on a daily basis.
The botoom line here, I don't get upset very often any more no matter what I read herre or anywhere else. In fact, this forum has been a wealth of information to me and has really helped me to "see" and learn about instruments and so many other things musical that I might not otherwise be able to learn much about.
Even though it sways from the topic, I want to make a comment on what James said. I don't feel quite as strong about it as you do James, but.. I have similar thoughts about 2 of the big 3 ( I know little about the current crop of Roland products or their service ) . While my experience has been that Korg has done a bit more for their arranger customers by offering free extra styles along with devoting a company website to the PA80 series with extra wares for the PA series and with links to other goodies, Yamaha aranger users themselves have provided an extraordinary amount of additional resources for Yamaha arrangers. I agree too about not caring for the secretive nature, not discussing any future plans / designs, etc, but I guess these companies reserve the right to do that and probably with some valid reasons in their way of thinking. More often though, I'm drawn to the smaller software producers, like Joe Maas with OMB and Richard Grant and David Castles of Soundtrek ( Jammer Pro ). You can converse with these folks easily and they regularly participate in discussions with users, and very often they take the suggestions of these users and implement them in later releases. It isn't so easy with Yamaha or Korg.. more like pulling teeth, but this is the way it seems to be in any field when dealing with larger outfits..
There are a lot of good reasons I can think of ( from everyone's point of view.. including Yamaha , Korg.. etc ) as to why this is the case, but it's fodder for another thread.
AJ
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#207475 - 05/10/03 11:08 AM
Re: what you don't like about synth zone
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Registered: 08/01/02
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Originally posted by The Pro:
I was going to skip posting a comment here because I do have some honest thoughts on this topic that likely won't be taken as such. I'm very busy these days fortunately and I've enjoyed some of the past discussions here but I will be taking a less active role in the future. For some that will be a relief.
I've said this before but it's still true today: my biggest gripe here would be the lack of open-mindedness with some of the more senior members of this forum combined with the tendency by others to rush to defend the "honor" of another when a decent debate gets rolling. Nobody wants to waste time debating with a mob so good discussions here have been shut down or deleted because of this. The only path to progress is to challenge the assumptions of those who know the most, or think that they do. Crossing swords sharpens them. I love for my knowledge and presumptions to be challenged especially when I learn something in the process. Others seem to take that kind of challenge personally though, which turns intellectual debate into chest-thumping mush. Or group-hugging mush when it's all over, which serves only to move the conversation back into monotony. Boring each other isn't the hallmark of a good forum. I won't stay in any forum that doesn't allow a good brawl now and then.
And while we're on the subject of brawling let me say this: Yamaha and Roland and Korg can kiss my ass. You know, we all get real excited when Yamaha rep Steve Deming graces us with a brief thought or sentence (and to his credit nobody else has even bothered), but the instrument manufacturers and representatives more than anyone should be active in discussing the uses and implications of the instruments with end-users in a forum away from the 30-60 seconds you can sometimes get with them at noisy trade shows (most of which are closed to the public anyway). The tired excuse of "we can't talk about upcoming products or improvements" is a dodge that means they just won't talk with the consumer at all. I refuse to accept that. I have had good discussions in forums with the people developing the Eko that showed that it is quite possible for companies and customers to interact towards a common goal. In fact, that kind of open communication and platform IS the future of music technology. So if my next keyboard doesn't come from "the big three", that's their fault... I'd love to talk about it with them but...
For all it's good point I see what this forum could be, and it could be better. It shouldn't just be a place where newbies get answers but also where experienced players reevaluate their rigs and make their work lighter, smarter, and better. It should be a place where tempers openly flair in the light of realization. And a place where we could get answers on topics that only instrument manufacturers can answer. Parts of these things are available on different forums but there isn't one that has them all. That's why I'll keep bouncing around...
[This message has been edited by The Pro (edited 05-09-2003).] Pro, I can't for one find a thing wrong with any of your points here and I agree 100%. Terry ------------------ jam on, Terry http://imjazzed.homestead.com/Index.html
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PS: If you ever get the EKo let us know how it works out. And don't forget to post on the SZ at least once in a while! 
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