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#201418 - 04/15/07 05:13 PM Anyone interested in this example?
squeak_D Offline
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I was wondering if anyone else was intersting in an audio example I was going to share with a couple members through private email.

It's so cool that I get emails from members here who are intersted in trying to do a Hip Hop beat My hats off to all you guys that have tackled something completely new and emailed me in private asking for assistance.

Well I got a question asking to show an example of what I mean by "less is more" in this style of music. You have to be careful not to put too much into the mix, especially if lyrics are involved. The real trick is making it sound "modern". I've always said "cheese hop" comes easier than modern hip hop.

I've got an audio demo (short clip) however it consists of only 3 tracks. With this one loop an individual can do so much (if they had a sampler for example).

If no one is interested within the forum I understand. I'll share it with those that have emailed me.

Regards,
Squeak
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#201419 - 04/15/07 07:41 PM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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It's not my style of music to play or even listen to but lets hear it always interested in learning something new.
Thanks squeak
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#201420 - 04/15/07 08:30 PM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Squeak, I agree with mikeathome1, why not put it up on the forum?

Granted, it may not appeal to many here within the regular crowd, but who knows how many 'lurkers' might chime in at the prospect of learning something new and different?

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#201421 - 04/15/07 08:59 PM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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If we can grok a country tune as a reharmonized bossa, we can handle a little hiphop.....

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#201422 - 04/15/07 09:50 PM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Let Er Rip!!!

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#201423 - 04/16/07 03:11 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Alrighty. Again short clip, just an 8 bar loop. This is only 3 tracks. Consists of a tweeked drum kit. The bass is one of my favorite basses (Juno Bass). I then ran the drum and bass tracks through a phaser. Just shows how catchy a 3 track beat can be with not too much going on. I may have to do a re-sample of this puppy and have some fun with it
http://www.esnips.com/doc/3a75877f-76f6-4635-b312-51a94162e455/CHILLIN

Squeak
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#201424 - 04/16/07 04:06 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Originally posted by squeak_D:
Alrighty. Again short clip, just an 8 bar loop. This is only 3 tracks. Consists of a tweeked drum kit. The bass is one of my favorite basses (Juno Bass). I then ran the drum and bass tracks through a phaser. Just shows how catchy a 3 track beat can be with not too much going on. I may have to do a re-sample of this puppy and have some fun with it
http://www.esnips.com/doc/3a75877f-76f6-4635-b312-51a94162e455/CHILLIN

Squeak


what exactly did u use to make this?
keyboard / sound module / PC program...???
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#201425 - 04/16/07 04:26 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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All keyboard Nick. Roland RS-70 Nothing special added either. Just a tweeked kit, Juno Bass, and VeloStrings. Then ran the drums and bass through a phaser.

Also, the bass drum is a little sub sonic. So if you have lower quality computer speakers with no bottom end you're not going to get the low thump of the bass drum.

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 04-16-2007).]
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#201426 - 04/16/07 04:36 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Originally posted by squeak_D:
All keyboard Nick. Roland RS-70 Nothing special added either. Just a tweeked kit, Juno Bass, and VeloStrings. Then ran the drums and bass through a phaser.

Also, the bass drum is a little sub sonic. So if you have lower quality computer speakers with no bottom end you're not going to get the low thump of the bass drum.

[This message has been edited by squeak_D (edited 04-16-2007).]


its all good i definitely got all the full range of the sound... its a very good beat.. but can u do the rapping to go with?? LOL
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#201427 - 04/16/07 05:13 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Man I can't rap to save my life I can sing, but rap.., no can do. When I created this loop I was bummed out that I can't rap worth a darn. It's a good beat to rap over.

If you got a sampler, you can take this beat, chop/slice the thing and go nuts with it.

Squeak
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#201428 - 04/16/07 05:56 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Squeak nice job.....great intro & beat for a nice saw wave lead to a remix Hip Hop version of
Rick James' "SUPER FREAK".......oh yeah, shes Super Freaky Yua'llll

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#201429 - 04/16/07 07:12 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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I can't download the file can you send it to me.
qqqwq@hotmail.com
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#201430 - 04/16/07 07:21 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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I sent it to ya. I'm so tempted to try and rap over this loop, but I have no idea how that will turn out

Squeak
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#201431 - 04/16/07 02:13 PM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Thanks Squeak I got it and it is very interesting. Sounds good.




[This message has been edited by mikeathome1 (edited 04-16-2007).]
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#201432 - 04/16/07 03:52 PM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Originally posted by squeak_D:
I sent it to ya. I'm so tempted to try and rap over this loop, but I have no idea how that will turn out

Squeak


Let Er Rip Baby!!!
http://www.flocabulary.com/hiphopmetaphors.html

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#201433 - 04/16/07 10:21 PM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Nice 'thump', Squeak - it's exactly what I'd love to include in my stuff.

When you say 'sub-sonic', and I don't mean to get into semantics re. sub-sonic's meaning in its literal sense, but what sort of hertz are we talking here, and how do you access and incorporate those ultra low frequencies? I suspect it's more than just taking the bass down an octave or two.

Can you give some insight into that aspect? Thanks.

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#201434 - 04/17/07 03:02 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Nicely done, Squeak.

My only critique would be to add some PWM to the strings to broaden the sound and to allow them to sit in the mix better with the bass.

Otherwise excellent.

Ian


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#201435 - 04/17/07 04:29 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Nice work squeak_D.

It is nice that is made only from 3 tracks.


That can provide a lot of power. Your RS-70 is working really fine.

Thanks that you share file with us.


Best regards.

Magica ALFA

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#201436 - 04/17/07 05:20 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Posted By Renig:
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Nice 'thump', Squeak - it's exactly what I'd love to include in my stuff.
When you say 'sub-sonic', and I don't mean to get into semantics re. sub-sonic's meaning in its literal sense, but what sort of hertz are we talking here, and how do you access and incorporate those ultra low frequencies? I suspect it's more than just taking the bass down an octave or two.

Can you give some insight into that aspect? Thanks.
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Renig,
Actually what I did to that bass drum is just an old trick that's still being used today. I didn't drop octaves, I just dropped the tuning on the bass drum.

There's also another very effective trick, and that is to take a "tom" from an electronic kit. Not a tom that sounds closer to an acoustic kit, but rather and electronic kit tom. Take the lowest tom and drop the tuning on it, and man you'll get a nice low thumping bass drum.

Then you can flavor it a bit with effects. In my case I tweeked a few instruments within the kit, and then added a phaser effect as a "global effect" to the entire kit. That's how I got that nice effect on the crash cymbal that hits several times at the end of the loop.

Squeak
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#201437 - 04/17/07 09:06 AM Re: Anyone interested in this example?
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Great stuff, thanks!

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