I just found out today about a new keyboard from Yamaha called the PSR3000. I don't have all the information in front of me but here is what I know:
List price $1795.00
Polyphony 128
61 keys
built in speakers
100MB of wave rom
240 styles
16 track sequencer
large color screen (like Tyros)
Video out jacks
2MB internal flash memory
USB Hosting (enables the use of USB flash key storage devices)
Broadband conectivity (enables the user to access the internet without the use of a computer to download from certain websites songs, etc.)
I don't know if there is a vocalharmonizer but my guess would be it does. Availability for this product is expected sometime July or later.
This should be a very exciting new product. More information will become available very soon, product discriptions and info have been mailed to dealers but not yet received.
Stay tuned!
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

hi george,this seems to be the intermedia board between the 2100 and the tyros,so no plans yet for the board above the tyros,mike

Hooray!!!

Hi George,
that sounds interesting. The 64 note polyphony on the psr2's always put me off, and unfortunately the price of the Tyros here in Aust. ( a bit too pricey)

best wishes
Rikki.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by George Kaye:

ooooooooh and oooooooh again and just because that felt so good ooooooohhhh!

This might be the answer for me! I want a Tyros but in order to get one would have to part with my 9000pro. I am really loathe to do this as I love it like the wife I'll never have

Maybe I can scrape enough together to buy a 3000 and keep me pro. Just please please please Yamaha don't make it gold coloured. I know I'm superficial and it is what it sounds like that counts but make it black (or silver at a push
Tony

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here's my stupid question of the day: why would Yamaha continue to bring out feature-rich 61 key boards, probably w/ the same less-than-ideal action as the 2100, when, at least among synthzone denizons, there's a degree of interest in a 76-key expandable board to replace the 9kpro? is there really nothing going on at the top end of the market?

Damn I wish they would stop doing this kinda' stuff. That woman's gonna' kill me!

Cheers,

Gary

ROFL
You'll get round her Gary! Just cook her some of those nice meals of yours from now until it gets here and you will have earned enough brownie points to get away with it

Anyway I heard that the words 'I love you darling' were invented so that we musicians could buy more gear more often
ttfn
Tony

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Isn't this interesting... Have a look see here:

quote:

Originally posted by travlin'easy:
Starkeeper,
I know, if you wait another three months, Yamaha will probably be coming out with the 2200--pretty cagey!
Cheers,

Gary

Here is my reply to Gary's post way back on September 22 of this year:

Idatrod
Member - posted 09-22-2003 08:08PM

"PSR 2200 just doesn't sound right to me. I think they may change the name to PSR 3000 when the next model comes out, then when the replacement to that one comes out then maybe we'll see a PSR 3100. I dunno; PSR 2200 just doesn't sound very catchy to me."

Best regards,
Mike

I can hang a star on that one, huh!

PSR 3000. Very interesting. I guess Yamaha took my advice and decided to name the next PSR after my prediction. I didn't think the next PSR would be a 2200, etc. because it didn't sound catchy to me. I guess it didn't sound catchy to Yamaha either. I nailed it right on the head!!! Whoo hooo!

Thanks for the information George! I have several questions I want to ask you but I will wait until you get the product descriptions and info lists first.

Here's my observation on the "PSR 3000". (Has a nice ring to it doesn't it)

I noticed it has more Wav ROM than the Flagship Tyros has, although only 4 megabytes more. There is no mention of a Hard Drive (internal) but if it has a USB TO DEVICE connection then an external Hard Drive or Flash Drive - (Thumb Drive) will be able to be hooked up to the PSR 3000. It has a Large LCD but no word as to whether it has a "new" technology to make it possible to use it in direct sunlight and actually be able to see whats on the screen clearly. If it does; you can be sure that in itself will be a big selling point.

And no mention of Mega Voices but that could be forthcoming when George gets more info about it.

No word on what the wattage is for the speakers but George should have that info soon for us too. Also, Broadband connectivity. How interesting. Without the use of a computer. You will still need to have a Broadband Modem I take it. And if the internal Memory is only 2 megs the Broadband connection would seem to me to be hardly worth it. That is of course unless the data could be transferred straight to an External Hard Drive or Flash Drive by way of the USB To Device Hosting connection. My assumption would be it would be able to do just that. Else why would they bother with a Broadband connectivity feature? 128 note Polyphony on a "less expensive" Arranger is a real boon IMO. Great news indeed!

If you noticed George says the "list" price is $1,795. The PSR 2000 and 2100 were listed at $1,495 MSRP when they came out but sold for around $1,195-$1,295. So I would guess the PSR 3000 will actually start selling for $1,495-$1,595 when it hits the stores in July. Which is well over a $1,000 less than the Flagship Tyros sells for. Conclusion? What a fantastic bang for the buck Keyboard the PSR 3000 looks to be.

The only thing that will cause people to hesitate on getting it IMO will be the KEY ACTION - KEY FEEL. If it's the same as the PSR 2000/2100, many of the more seasoned Keyboard players and enthusiasts will shy away from getting it IMO. IF it is like the Tyros or Motif series Key feel then I think it will be a huge seller for Yamaha. And even more so if it has "wider" Keys than the standard 160mm over 1 Octave that is on most of Yamaha's Digital Keyboards. And dare I say if indeed it does have the wider Keys people will literally "flock" to get it.

Another important reason for it to be a huge success or not is the quality of sound and wattage capability and output of the internal speakers. Korg's Pa1X (61 Keys with internal speakers) is suppose to be a huge improvement over the PA60/80 series Keyboards. Will Yamaha deliver the goods in offering outstanding internal speakers for the PSR 3000? If not, people would tend to look for an Arranger that does have great sounding inbuilt speakers and may be more inclined to get the Korg Pa1X even though the Yamaha has 128 note Polyphony - if Korg's speakers are as good as they're claiming they will be on the KorgPA.com site.

Best regards,
Mike

Hey Mike

Sounds like great news. Also, you have some interesting observations about the importance of the model number. I agree, PSR3000 sounds classier than the other choices, but you know, I also think Yamaha wanted some higher numbers than say the Technics KN2400/2600. Not as crazy as it sounds really, huh?

As a matter of fact the more I think of it, Yamaha always had a 200 series, 300 series, 400, 500 , etc and now the 1000/2000 series. I predict that they will continue with a lower priced 2000 series and now have also a continually updated 3000 series. Who knows? We'll see. Kind of fun to speculate.

Like I was just telling Joe Waters, we always have to have our adult toys to look forward to, and they don't necessarily need to be X rated. haha.

Scott

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I wounder if they changed the keys to a non cheap ones?

Also the most important question for me as well Vic. If it has the same key feel s the PSR line does now, I'll pass, no matter how good the rest of the board is.

I can't guess at all except to say that I would expect some improvement in some areas over the 2100 with a list price of about $ 300.00 more. The expanded wav rom jumps right out at me, but I hope key feel is among the improvements as well.

Is this a go between the Tyros and the current PSR line or does it replace the 2100 ? Or.. is it a response to the KN stuff and / or PA1x speaker version ( we aren't hearing very much about the latter to this point are we ) ?

BTW I love silver boards... Black is ok too.. I just don't wanna see a hokey reprise of the PSR700xx series stuff.

AJ

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mike,i don,t think your guess was right ,i think maybe yamaha liked your idea of the psr3000,and said yes thats what we will call it,my opinion is ,over the last year steve has heard a lot of groans about key size and feel ,i reckon this could be the next board that is going to give us all, sorry most of the options we want with larger speakers ,if it is i will certainly consider it,mike

You can bet that Yamaha is not going to change the key size on their arrangers any time soon. They've been doing it that way for many years, and the uproar isn't nearly loud enough. Maybe it's because Japanese people as a rule are smaller!
Be aware also that Yamaha starts hyping new keyboards usually a full year ahead of their availability. One exception was the 2100, but it wasn't really new, but a makeover of the 2000.
DonM

Availability is JULY 2004 .

Hope you're right. I won't hold my breath though!
I won't be interested anyway unless it has OS in RAM.
DonM

Excellent news for me, thanks for sharing!

My purchase of the PSR2100 fell through (my bank couldn't use their banking details, they couldn't take PayPal or CC) so I bought the Technics KN2600. At heart I must be a Yamaha fan cause when I read this I said Yippee! I guess I'll be looking out for the release of the PSR3000! In the meantime I'll be getting to grips with the KN2600... or perhaps the Technics will convert me?

True, but even with a 'flashable OS' , it won't do much good, unless the keyboard manufacter actually releases OS updates which address the known issues, like the mistakenly omitted footpedal activated 'repeating fill to self' feature on the Tyros. I just couldn't resist using this as an opportunity to remind everyone (once again). - Scott

bluezplayer,i think it is being released due to technics and paix and its got to be a lot better than 2100,hopefully we might be pleasantly surprised,if maybe steve lets out SOME info soon we may be tempted to wait, i,m hoping the key feel will be an improvement,they have it on some of their cheaper boards, why not the psr3000, mike

Hi,
actually makes you wonder if we're going to get a new catergory of keyboards in general mid to high price range or whether these may replace the top end arrangers ( they have stated to get rather pricey).

Yamaha's psr 2100 is Technics kn2600 equiv.
Yamaha's Tyros is Technics kn7000 equiv.

now all of a sudden there's an in between priced board. I would have thought next years main keyboard would have been a Tyros replacement. Stranger still that there hasn't been a new top end Roland to replace VA7.
If memory serves me correctly , most manufacturers used to update keyboard models every couple of years?

Maybe the manufacturers are going to surprise ( or shock ) us, which ever way wyou want to look at it. (haahaa)

best wishes
Rikki

I heard the PSR3000 is very similar to the 2100 but will have a smart media card slot like the Karaoke model....no improvement with the keys???

Fran,
I hear that the PSR3000 is more like the Tyros then the PSR2100. It has Mega voices, a large color screen, vocal harmonizer, storage via USB storage devices, 128 note polyphony. Although is has speakers and probably more the size of the PSR2100 then the tyros, I would think that with 100MB of sampled sounds, we should expect to hear more the Tyros quality rather then PSR2100.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

The PSR3000's price & features certainly sound appealing, but I think the real deal maker/breaker may come down to whether its 'key feel' & build is significantly improved over the PSR2000/2100. - Scott

I would think so to George. Since the PSR 3000 is going to actually have 4 "Megs" more of WAV ROM than the Flagship Tyros has.

If it has 4 megs 'more' than the Tyros currently has; I would expect it to perhaps even "surpass" the Tyros in sound quality. If that is the case, then the Tyros will be quickly forgotten as the premier Arranger on the Market and by those that esteem it so dearly and with the PSR 3000's price point, it is sure to be a big hit with Arranger Keyboardists and even those who are just starting out playing Keyboards in general. I don't think most current owners of the Tyros will sell their Tyros to get a PSR 3000 but they may get the PSR 3000 as an additional Keyboard to the Tyros in their Keyboard arsenal. Which btw, Yamaha couldn't be happier about that prospect. And those who currently own a PSR 2000/2100 will be tempted to get the PSR 3000 if all the dream features on the PSR 3000 are true. The Dream features I'm talking about are: better Key Action (comparable to the Korg Pa1X/Pro), wider Keys (if they aren't wider some people wouldn't buy it because of that), Superb quality internal speakers with mind blowing (and ear popping) sound, light weight, superior built in Vocal Harmonizer (without the need of upgrading, eg., TC Helicon and Korg Pa1x/Pro scenario), superb Styles and Multipads, and as I also stated - superior quality Voices. We already know the LCD screen will be similar to the one on the Tyros and that the PSR 3000 will have Broadband connectivity plus you will be able to use an external Hard Drive or Flash Drive with it. The internal memory is 2 mb's which is better than a kick in the pants and it will have 128 note Polyphony. And we also now know it will have the Mega Voices. If it has more and a wider variety (beside Guitar and Bass) of the Mega Voices and if you can actually play them live with no hiccups like you can with the Pa1X/Pro's RX Technology that will be a HUGE accomplishment for Yamaha and will put the PSR 3000 on most Arranger Keyboardist's wish list IMO as a MUST HAVE Arranger Keyboard.

Best regards,
Mike



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If this is smaller in size like the 2000/2100 with good sound and the most used good sounds and doesn't weigh a lot, I would consider getting it to replace the Tyros. Just speculation of course. If it should sound like the PSR2000, then its not for me, I would definately stick with the Tyros. I did an A/B test again this morning, and there is a major difference in tone. I really do prefer the size of the PSR2000, a lot easier to move keyboard that the "bulkier" Tyros plus carrying case.

My prediction is that those mysterious places that look like you can plug things into the inside of the Tyros that we have heard about, will in fact be used with "boards" to update the new Mega voices for horns, strings etc. Maybe even one of those samplers that everyone wants but nobody uses. Remember Yamahas'survey? That was the results on the sampler. haha.

Any bets on this one?

Scott

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I hope the new PSR 3000 is a version of the flagship Tyros but with speakers and maybe plug in boards availability!! I hope it looks silver also.

Johnny

PSR3000 sounds good to me. It could be my next kb.

Any pictures available?

A couple of features I wonder about:

Does it have aftertouch?
Does it have stereo line inputs (e.g., for mixing in sounds from a laptop or module).

Also, the Motif ES 175MB sound set has been well received, so maybe it will appear in a Tyros replacement.

I honestly feel that Yamaha will make; in fact, (they are already busy making) a replacement for the Tyros and its not going to be the PSR 3000 IMO. Just as Yamaha did with the PSR 9000 series I think Yamaha WILL make a Tyros PRO Keyboard with 76 Keys. And don't look for it to have just '100 Megs' of WAV ROM like the PSR 3000 will have but more like '200 or more Megs' of WAV ROM. The Polyphony will be the same as the existing Tyros, ie., "128 note Polyphony" but the Tyros PRO will have "Expansion" capability to add Expansion Boards which will increase the Polyphony using certain add-on Boards. Also the Tyros PRO will have an on board Sampler like the 9000 PRO has BUT instead of up to 65 Megs of Sampling RAM look for the Tyros PRO to have at least 128 Megs and possibly (and more likely) up to 512 Megs of Sampling RAM capability. Although you will most likely have to buy the RAM separate and install it yourself or through a Dealer much like you do with other Yamaha Keyboards with Samplers, eg., Motif/ES/9000 PRO, etc. The Tyros PRO will have more Professional options and features (more inputs/outputs, etc.) and a more full featured on board Sequencer. And look for it to have all the new nice features that the PSR 3000 will have too, eg., (Broadband connectivity, and a TO DEVICE connection). Of course it will be OS updateable which I'm guessing the PSR 3000 WON'T be. Look for it to appear around Summer NAMM 2005 posssibly Winter NAMM 2005. And get this: the price point will be around $3,000 dollars. That will be roughly about $200-$500 more than the cost of the current Tyros.

NOTE: These are my speculations and NOT of course fact. My prediction of the PSR 3000's name came true. Will my prediction of the Tyros PRO come true also? Only time will tell. But regardless; there WILL eventually be a replacement for the current Tyros. That is a no brainer. The questions that linger are: will it be a PRO version like the 9000 PRO was to the 9000, ie., a 76 Key version with more professional features and options? Or will it simply be a rehashed version of the current Tyros, ie., 61 Keys, etc. And maybe the new one will be called something else entirely - like the Yamaha "X-Treme" or maybe the Yamaha "T-REX"?

Best regards,
Mike

If the PSR3000 hasn't got aftertouch, wich I guess it will not, it not for the average home user anyway!

Also acceptable drawbars is necessary to make it a consideration.

When the PSR3000 is released in America, I suspect I will get a great deal on a PSR2000 or PSR2100.
Starkeeper

I may have a "spare" 2100 soon. Stay tuned.
DonM