I dont know if I belong here, but, I do some keyboard but mostly guitar. I use a midjay and kick pedals. I dont think you using any arranger or whatever you use is the to me the important thing for the listeners and the dancers is when they get on the dance floor, words and music is the all thing, but, the most important is the bass lines. When you dance you feel the bass and step to the rythm and the bass makes all possible.For me styles is the way to go, but if you can get the bass from midi or wherever you get your music, concentrate on the bass....JOE

Scott go to Disney and watch the shows.......most all use lip syncing technics..........but guess what people all leave with a smile because they were entertained ....its a new world out there for the musician my friends utilize all the tools available in any way you can......bottom line is to make music for people ........sad truth, purist will go by the wayside as the future progresses, hop on board the musical train now its a new da, "All-Aboard"!!!! .

That's kind of the problem. If we continue a long the parth we are going there will be no "musical train". Entertainers with no traditional musical skills would be all that is needed. Musicians would not be known in the future.

What a sad future for music. It is all about entertainment.

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ESH, I have two very good friends with beautiful summer homes on Hilton Head Island. I also used to (before we moved to Hawaii) fly (my C310F) into Hilton Head Airport for my 2X/year golf school with these same friends (more social than instructive as none of us ever improved). I still visit them now that I have moved to Florida and will most definitely drop in if you happen to be gigging during the time that I am there. Of course, there isn't much to choose from as HH is not exactly a mecca for live entertainment (but then I'm usually there off-season). Then we can continue this deba..ah, discussion in person. In the meantime, keep on midi-swinging.

Oh, and Fran, don't you dare come to Valrico, it's nice and peaceful down here .

Peace,

chas

Chas is one of my favorites, and I completely understand what he means by making a distinction between being a musician and an entertainer. I admire some entertainers, but just don't "have it", myself.

It's also a matter of taste. Frankly, some "entertainers" are boarderline irritating to me, and have little or no musical taste or ability, in my estimation. Several are my friends and work all the time. Good for them, if they are fulfilled, getting paid well and are satisfying owners and audiences.

In my offtime, I listen to musicians; rarely OMB performers. But, that's my choice and it's no more than that.

Frankly, if I could only work with an arranger, I'd probably give up...I just wouldn't feel fulfilled as a musician. It is the complex, unspoken interplay between players of equal ability and commitment that hits my "on" button. My relationship with my Ketron is a complex, "love/hate" one.

My satisfaction come from producing high-end film scores for industrial films. Nigel and Tony Mads have heard examples...boring stuff, I'm sure for 90% of you. Of course, the satisfaction comes from also writing the script, camera work, animation, if needed, and editing. I never post work because this is an arranger forum, and film scores sound a little "funky" without the graphics, voice-overs, etc.

But again, that's just me.

Whatever works for each of you is GREAT!


Russ

CHEATING ----- If you feel you are cheating, then you ARE cheating. If you do not, then enjoy.

John C.


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To me, CHEATING means to deceive someone ... If I am playing an arranger keyboard and 'deceiving' someone into thinking I am playing the drums and all the other sounds, then my audience is asleep ... HOWEVER - I will NOT pretend to be playing a solo when I am not !!!

And I would gladly 'cross the street' to hear a good OMB - heck I went to NJ to hear Dnj ... and DJs may have talent, and may be entertainers, but NO I do NOT equate a DJ to a OMB !!!!!
t.

Tony .....I remember it well, it was great to meet you & your lovely wife at my dance club............your front row table is always ready Gumba!!

Ok Donny, if that's the case, you better watch out, as I suppose , not only musicians, but singers & entertainers too, may all become replaced by animatrons. Pretty scary thought.

Pirates of the Caribbean:


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[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 07-04-2006).]

Uhmmmm....hope that applies to marriage as well .


...just kidding, just kidding; geez, lighten up.

chas