I recently discovered that I cannot seem to use my T2 to control my softsynths. For whatever reason, when I set it up to transmit only on Channel 1, it works fine when I play them without any accompaniment, it works fine, but once I start the accomp, the softsynths receive chord data along with what I am playing with my right hand. Every note comes out as the chord currently assigned to the arranger.

I have tried every midi / other configuration and adjustment in the T2 that I can think of, but to no avail. I have no such issues with the PA80 and have used it this way many times. If there is no fix for this.. I'm thinking bye bye Tyros2. The sounds are quite good but still not the quality of some of my softs, and many of the styles aren't that appealing to me anyway.

Can anyone shed any more light on this or suggest something I might have missed ?

AJ

AJ
These type of problem solvings tend to get convoluted, but at first glance on the Midi Template ch1 transmits the R1 voice part. If your KB is not split (ie. it's Full KB) data from notes over the whole KB including your LH chords will be transmitted.
Have you tried setting to one of the split KB modes and seeing what happens? Providing the ACMP button is on that generates a Left part which transmits on ch4 (to be ignored) and should leave your ch1 transmitting just the notes to right of split point- making sure your chords are actually being played to the left of split point of course.

John

BTW the Template I'm looking at is the All Parts

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you will probably find that by default the arranger parts are set to be transmitted from midi out by default..you simply need to find out where you adjust these settings and turn TX off for arranger parts/channels...i am not familiar with the yamaha op sys but all arrangers have this option. i cannot see why yamaha would not.

Ty2 also has a midi off template, so you could simplify things by selecting that & setting only ch1 to transmit so that you can be confident no other rogue channels are transmitting. But you still need to bear in mind my previous post above. Make sure the physical connections are made to correct Ty2 port - A or B whichever you choose to enable.

John

Thanks for the responses. I've tried all of the things already mentioned..to no avail. Tried with the USB midi, standard midi cables.. etc. I'm fairly well versed with midi, btw, so most of the simple fixes have already been tried. There seems to be an issue with the midi out itself.. It seems to want to transmit certain data even when I set it up to transmit on ch 1 and set up the splits. I tried it with just Ch 1 on, then with just ch 2 on, etc.. Nothing changes.

My software can be set to receive just channel 1 also, but this did not help either. Somehow, it appears that certain midi messages ( like chords ) are being transmitted no matter which channel and filters I use. Just to be certain, I tried with my PA80 again and it worked perfectly...

AJ



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AJ
As you must know you can watch the channel lights in Ty2 to see when data is being transmitted (Tx Monitor). I watched in the Transmit tab of the All Parts Template. (With Split KB and ACMP on)
With R1 switched on and playing RH only,the ch1 light flashes as you'd expect.
If I start the style and play LH only I don't see lights flashing in time to the LH.
Very occasionally, lights do come on - in R1, 2 & 3!!! even though the R2 & 3 buttons are off, but there seems no pattern apart from the fact they go on & off together and I can't predict when it'll happen.
Tried to see what that type of data is being sent by hooking up & recording in sequencer. R1/ch1 only played back the RH notes (no chords) and R2/ch2 & 3c/ch3 appeared to be blank - certainly no note data in spite of the ghost lights.
I'm not sure where this leaves you but it does demonstrate that what you're trying for has to be possible.
And since I'd tried it thought I'd pass on the observations FWIW

John

Hi AJ,
I had problems with midi out & my psr when I tried to midi my SD2 module up.
The sd2 has no buttons , so I couldn't mute parts physically on it.

I did end up being able to transmit either all the melody parts or all the arranger parts whilst at the same time have those parts as local off on the psr..

By that I mean either PSR would supply melody sounds , sd2 would supply style sounds, or vice versa.


I'd been hoping to have the sd2 for the drums, the psr for the rest of the sounds. Midi on the psr doesn't seem to allow this.

I did also get the above to work the same way with my soundfonts. I'm fairly certain I had Brainspawn forte involved.

In the end I went back to using OMB when I wanted a mix of different types of soundsources.

Off the top of my head I can't remember the settings I used, It took me a while to work it out.

best wishes
Rikki

p.s.
I ended up getting a PA800 on Saturday. The pads work just how I'd hoped.

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Hi AJ ,
what you're trying to do may be different to me.

I just checked my midi settings.

Are you trying to play melody with a softsynth, styles with the T2 voices??

Have you tried this.

System: Make sure R1 is not ticked.
Transmit: Make sure everything else is not ticked except for R1.
I even had all my REceive swithed to off, just in case I got some sort of midi loop, I guess.

Another thing I had problems with , if I remember correctly, was sending a program change for the melody voice.
Worked ok if the bank change matched between my psr & sd2, (ie gm or gm2) but I think I had problems trying to use voices on bank 10 of my sd2.

again, maynot be a problem for you.
best wishes
Rikki


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Thanks for the responses folks. Rikki, you are spot on. I am using the Tyros 2 styles and playing the melody / leads with the right side of the board hooked into softsynths. I did exactly as you stated Rikki, except that I also disconnected the " midi in" cable to the T2, so all that was happening was midi data was going out from it to the Laptop.

I think I found the problem though. Upon closer inspection, the 3 way electrical plug from my surge protector was not grounded properly.. ie it appears somehow the ground stub was cut a bit short and not making contact into the box. I had two amplifiers hooked up that use a 3 prong electrical plug. As soon as I changed the plug to a 3 way with a good ground stub, no more problem... it works fine. I remember from my amateur radio days how much havoc an open ground could cause. This appears to be along the same lines.

I have to admit though, I am intrigued by the PA800. I spent some quality time with my PA80, and I realize how much I miss the styles and synth engine and sounds. Now that the current generation has multipads that can be edited. I think maybe though, instead of parting with my T2 ( still a wonderful board ), I might put up the 'ol PA80 for sale and get what I can for her, and then pursue a PA800. It's battle scarred a wee bit, but everything works perfectly and I have never once in almost 7 years had any mechanical or electrical issues or glitches. It's worked perfectly ever since it came out of the box.

Come to think of it, I may now also have a useable alternative to the way outdated but still unmatched wind and sax sounds coming from my VL board, so I may not feel the need to keep my Motif ES around either. I have the old XG100 software with the VL modeled sounds in it, but it doesn't play on XP. This may not be an issueany more, since I just came across an old Windows ME laptop, so if I fire it up and the sounds are equivalent.. ( as I remember they are ), then I can sell the ES and PA80 and get me a new PA800.. Ahh life is good.. lol

Thanks again Miden, John and Rikki...

Cheers,

AJ

Hi AJ,
glad you got it sorted out.

The midi on the PA800 sounds brilliant. Haven't tried it yet as I'm still working my way thru the manual.
The fact that I can assign arranger tracks to internal, external or both is just what I was looking for. Be interesting to see if it can handle the sd2's bank changes , for melody parts in the sts's or songbook.
The STS is similar to the OTS settings
(Maybe that already existed in the PA80??)

The pads work the same as the psr ie up to 4 pads playing at the same time. You can stop them all or individually.
Big difference is the syncing. No matter when you hit it the pad starts on the same beat of it's bar. Not at the beginning of the bar & playing catch up.

Pads
copy pad to pad
copy style to pad
copy midifile to pad
event list edit
etc etc

The 5 switch pedal board also starts & stops them, which my psr didn't.

I don't know what the quality is like compared to Tyros pads, but I like doing my own anyway.

Download yourself a manual, 1.51 is the latest.

I can't compare the PA80 to the PA800 as I've never seen one.

I'm really impressed by all it's functions.

best wishes
Rikki

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