I own a Korg D1200mkII Multi-track Digital Recorder and a Yamaha Tyros keyboard with onboard midi sequencer.

I need to simultaneously monitor the playback of my midi song tracks (backing sequence) played on my Tyros keyboard's onboard sequencer while recording my vocal tracks to the Korg D1200mkII. I want to keep all the midi tracks on the Tyros until the final mixdown, before finally recording them to the Korg D1200mkII. Because of this, both the recorded vocals (D1200mkII) & midi song playback (Tyros Sequencer) must be kept locked in sync. The Yamaha Tyros keyboard does not support MMC or MTC, but does support syncing to Midi Clock. In addition, the D1200mkII can only be set as the master (midi clock internal), which means the Tyros keyboard must act as the slave (midi clock external).

In the Tyros keyboard's midi setup configuration window, I set the midi clock to: midi clock external. I also connected a midi cable from the D1200mkII's midi out jack to the Tyros midi in jack. I then pressed the Tyros keyboard song sequencer start button in hopes of triggering a steady/blinking light to advise me that it was then waiting for me to press the 'play' button on the D1200mkII to trigger the Tyros keyboard's sequencer to begin playing. Unfortunately the Tyros sequencer's play button indicator light neither lite up or flashed, and subsequently pressing the 'play' button on the D1200mkII did not trigger the Tyros keyboard sequencer to begin playing either.

I'm wondering if I might have omitted a crucial set up/configuration step on either the Tyros keyboard or D1200mkII. Any and all help (hopefully with step by step setup procedures) would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Scott

Scott,
I understand what you are trying to do here. I take a less complicated approach though. I do this quite often with a drum track....

Analog > of the Tyros to analog < of the recorder, but do not arm the tracks, you just want to be able to hear the playback through headphones and sing along with it for tempo and phrasing. This is essentially what I did when Roel wanted a clean vocal track without effects.

As long as you have some sort of count in on the Tyros tracks, you can sync it all up after.
Terry

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Terry, I understand how you're able to initially record your vocals while monitoring the drum intro & midi backing sequence played back on your Tyros, but how are you able to keep the Tyros midi sequence playback and vocals recorded on the multi-track recorded 'in sync' on playback ? Which play button do you press first (the Tyros sequencer's or the Digital Recorder), and exactly 'when' do you press each of them.

At what point in the recording process are you recording the Tyros midi sequence backing tracks to the Digital Multitrack Recorder. As I choose to remain in the midi domain when mixing the midi tracks, I prefer waiting till all vocal & non midi tracks have been recorded before recording the final stereo midi mixdown to the Digital Recorder. This being the case, I would think it not possible to accurately sync up (by ear) the stereo midi mixdown to other already recorded tracks on the Digital Multitrack recorder. Might I be missing something in your explanation?

I believe that syncing up the Tyros to the Digital Recorder (via Midi Clock, MTC, or MMC) is really the only foolproof solution to keeping both units 'in sync' both during recording, and on playback. It's my asssumption that the Tyros only supports Midi Clock, but not MTC or MMC sync methods. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

This being the case, I'm still hoping to get some clarification on exactly how the Tyros must be set up to act a slave to my Digital Recorder (Korg D1200mkII).

To further clarify my midi connection/setup: I have a midi cable connected from the Korg D1200mkII Digital Recorder's mid out socket to the "Midi-A: IN" socket of my Tyros keyboard. On the Tyros, I have the selected the following midi preset configuration template: Function> Midi > "Clock Ext A". It's my understanding that with this setup configuration, after loading a midi file into the song sequencer and then pressing the sequencer's 'start/stop' button, that this button would then light-up or flash 'in waiting' for an incoming signal (from the Korg Digital Recorder) to triger it to begin playing. My Tyros song sequencer's start/stop button doesn't light-up or flash after I press it. Is there something wrong with my keyboard, or do I still not have things set up properly on my Tyros keyboard to perform in slave mode? Also, what settings need to be made on the Korg D1200mkII to make this work? I hope someone can help me here. Thanks.

Scott

Hi Scott,
I'm probably way over my head here as I don't have a Tyros or a digital recorder to try it with, but, here's my simplistic approach ( which probably won't work, but, who knows)
is it possible to record the drums to one track of your recorder.
Then connect midi out of recorder to midi in of tyros , set it up to external sync
mute the drum track of your midi sequence
press record on your recorder,
hopefully the already recorded drum track will send the signal to trigger your Tyros and record the rest of your accompaniment to another track.
Next record your vocals to another track while listening to your your already recorded backing.
Go back and delete the accompaniment track leaving the original drum track in place.
Fix up your sequence or whatever it is that you want to do.
Press record again on your recorder and record your whole sequence.
Go back and delete your original drum track.

Just wondering if a software sequencer might not work better for what you're doing, rather than the internal sequencer.

best wishes
Rikki


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Scott, pressing the start/stop on Tyros reverts it back to internal sync I believe (on testing) and only when the controller is connected/powered.

Interesting concept, but I don't know how the recorded drum track can send a signal to trigger the Tyros sequencer to start playing. Rikki, I appreciate your feedback though.



Hi awdotcom. Interesting to hear this because in my tests, with the controller (D1200mkII) connected to the Tyros via midi & powered on, pressing the Tyros sequencer start/stop button neither arms the sequencer for playback (no lighted button or flashing indicator light) or reverts the Tyros back to Internal Clock mode.

Scott

Update: I've made a small bit of progress in my saga of figuring out how to get the Tyros to sync to my Digital Recorder. I set my Digital Recorder to: Master Clock. I also tried setting the D1200mkII recorder to transmit MMC as well as not to transmit MMC. It doesn't appear to matter which MMC setting I chose. Either way, I discovered that the Tyros sequencer's 'Start/Stop' button (when in midi :Ext Clock mode) doesn't even have to be pressed (armed) in order for it to recognize a couple of remote commands (play & stop) from the D1200. In addition, the Tyros midi sequence plays at the same tempo the D1200 is set to. The disappointing thing is that when the D1200's 'Stop' button is pressed, the D1200 recorder pauses at the current location, but the Tyros midi sequencer returns to the beginning of the song.

I only wish I now could get the Tyros to 'remain locked in sync' with the Digital Recorder, whenever the Digital Recorder's Stop button is pressed, or when changing to any location point in the song.

Because I'm only able to trigger the basic 'start' & stop/return function on the Tyros Sequencer from my Digital Recorder, I'm wondering if this is only because I still don't have the Tyros properly configured for remote Ext Clock control yet or if my keyboard is deffective.

I'm hoping some of you Tyros owners out there might try performing a simple test on your Tyros for me to see if the problem exists only on my Tyros or if it's a universal problem with all Tyros'.

1) Go to: Function > Midi , and select 'Midi Ext. A'
2) Load a Midi Song into the Tyros Sequencer
3) Press the Song Sequencer's "Start/Stop" button
4) Report back to let me know if the "Start/Stop" button's indicator lights (or flashes) when pressed.

Thanks in advance for feedback on this.

Scott

Hi Scott,
me again, just in case you don't have any luck and the Tyros sequencer doesn't do what you want,
have you tried using a software sequencer to do what you're doing and just use the Tyros as a sound module.
You may have a bit more controll over it.

If you don't actually have one, there's demo's online of PG Music's Powertracks , so you could actually try before you buy. I think it retails for under $30 at the moment.

I was never overly fond of my 9000 pro's sequencer

I think some of the brain cells must have died when I read the Technics announcement.
I'm now confusing audio signals with midi signals. Might have worked with your if your
digital recorder had been a synth module ( haahaa) it must have been that "midi out" that confused me. I think I need to lay down and give the o'l brain a rest.

Read the specs on your Korg recorder, wow, it's amazing what they can do nowadays. I usually avoid reading about new stuff, just in case I get tempted and buy something I want, but don't really need.

best wishes
Rikki ( ex technology junki)





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