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#174786 - 09/18/06 05:51 AM Go figure, copyright infringement?
trtjazz Offline
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So in surfing this a.m., I ran across this.......

Since many here have talked about tabs and such I thought worth posting.

July 17, 2006

To all "Guitar Tab Universe" visitors:

The company which owns this website has been indirectly threatened (via our ISP) with legal action by the National Music Publishers' Association (NMPA) as well as the Music Publishers' Association (MPA) on the basis that sharing tablature constitutes copyright infringement. At what point does describing how one plays a song on guitar become an issue of copyright infringment? This website, among other things, helps users teach eachother how they play guitar parts for many different songs. This is the way music teachers have behaved since the first music was ever created. The difference here is that the information is shared by way of a new technology: the Internet.

When you are jamming with a friend and you show him/her the chords for a song you heard on the radio, is that copyright infringement? What about if you helped him/her remember the chord progression or riff by writing it down on, say, a napkin... infringement? If he/she calls you later that night on the phone or e-mails you and you respond via one of those methods, are you infringing? I don't know... but I would really like to know. If anyone has information on this, please email support@guitartabs.cc.

Apparently, the NMPA/MPA believes that the Internet may be on the foul side of the legality line they would like to draw here. For me, I see no difference. It's teachers educating students and covered as a 'fair use' of the tablature. The teachers here don't even get paid nor do the students have to pay this website to access the lessons.

An attack on this website is really an attack on every one of you who have told someone (in person, or via the written word, telephone, or e-mail) how you play a song on guitar. And who, especially among small websites, has the deep pockets to fight the NMPA/MPA? They use scare tactics while there is, in fact, no legal precedent on this matter (to the best of our knowledge). If you are interested in expressing your opinion to the NMPA/MPA, contact them via their respective websites. Please do not resort to vulgar language or insults.

Millions of people use the Internet to learn guitar, in one form or another. It appears the NMPA/MPA and their members do not want to support us and help us further our education. To you visitors from outside the USA or UK, can you find your favorite artists' "official sheet music" at your local music store? Even in the United States and United Kingdom, we often can not. The NMPA/MPA have a choice to make: either they support us as aspiring guitarists, or they choose to alienate their customer base. To date, not one sheet music publisher has contacted this website to either inquire as to our activities or to express interest in any type of dialogue or collaboration whatsoever. All we deserve is a cold, indirect, impersonal threat without any explanation? They should embrace new technologies or else become relics of the old economy.

Since I'm now 'worried' about working around tabs at all, I'm in a tough situation! Luckily, I'm fairly confident that if I alone listen to a song and then figure out how to play it by ear, I will then be able to enjoy using that knowledge to practice and improve my guitar playing skills. Is that what is necessary for everyone to do? Work these things out alone? What a sad situation.

Sincerely,
Rob Balch

Manager of "Guitar Tab Universe"

If you would like to help out and join the effort to fight for our freedom to tab and share, please check out MuSATO.

You can comment on this statement and/or situation here.

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#174787 - 09/18/06 06:43 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
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Funnily enough I came across that tonight as well!

Ridiculous.

Another example of a knee jerk reaction to the internet, and the public's ever increasing ability to access what they want without big business being able to control it!
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#174788 - 09/18/06 06:50 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
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For what it's worth, here's my take -

If you copy music, lyrics, chords, tabs, etc. from a legal document/source and distribute it for profit - that's copyright infringement.

If you figure out music, lyrics, chords, tabs, etc. on your own and share that info - that's NOT infringement.

Make sense?
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#174789 - 09/18/06 06:54 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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I saw it months ago and it's been debated much. If you publich sheet music or books, you'd probably have a different view.

Their problem is in how to enforce it worldwide. The internet has changed everything. Some good, some bad.

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#174790 - 09/18/06 07:19 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
mikeathome1 Offline
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The sad thing is it's not the artists its the lawyers that are looking for ways to increase the revenue.
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#174791 - 09/18/06 07:42 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
trtjazz Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by SemiLiveMusic:
I saw it months ago and it's been debated much. If you publich sheet music or books, you'd probably have a different view.



Bill,
I suppose I would if the someone was selling it for profit, this guy isn't, he's sharing it for free after figuring it out on his own.
As he said, if you're sitting around with some friends jammin' and you show them the chords to (pick a tune) and you then all sit around and play it, then that's infringement. No-one will play anyone's songs if they have to pay royalties on it everytime they perform it.

Performing a cover before a live audience can only help not hurt an artists sales.

If this is infringement, then anyone that gigs and does not pay the artist and publishers royalties if they sing their songs at a gig, is also violating copyright laws. There, they are getting paid for the gig and making a paltry profit for the work. Where does/would it stop?

Terry



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#174792 - 09/18/06 07:58 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
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Clubs, restaurants and businesses pay ASCAP and BMI to cover royalties. We don't have to do that as performaers.


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#174793 - 09/18/06 08:30 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
trtjazz Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by captain Russ:
Clubs, restaurants and businesses pay ASCAP and BMI to cover royalties. We don't have to do that as performaers.


Russ


How about nursing homes, hospitals, weddings, parties, corporate events etc.?



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#174794 - 09/18/06 08:45 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by trtjazz:
Bill,
I suppose I would if the someone was selling it for profit, this guy isn't, he's sharing it for free after figuring it out on his own.


The publishing industry's beef is when it is published to a website, it has infringed upon their ability to sell sheet music or books. Which isn't the same as you and I sitting around a campfire and I show you the chords. I don't know all the answers, just saying...

I don't think anyone would sue you or I if they heard about our campout. If I publish it to a website, that's another story. I guess.

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#174795 - 09/18/06 08:53 AM Re: Go figure, copyright infringement?
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Where does it end?

What about all the Song Lyrics sites on the Internet? Is that all copyright material?
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