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#167074 - 09/15/06 01:53 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Thanks,
One of the things I enjoy about both the Tyros 2 and Midjay is the ability to load all my lyrics onto the hard drive and call them up with a style associated. It actually lets me leave my laptop at home.
I probably know the words and chords to a thousand or so songs, but it's really nice to have an almost unlimited repertoire on board.
I will certainly check out the PA800 SOMETIME.
Right now, I'm extremely pleased with what I have though.
DonM
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#167075 - 09/15/06 02:30 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
ViLo Offline
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Registered: 06/30/01
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#167076 - 09/15/06 04:00 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
Posts: 3305
Loc: Reseda, California USA
I just spoke with my Korg Rep and the price here in the USA will be:
list price $3400
map price: $2700 (map price is the price the stores can advertise the product and will become the street price)
Availability should be within the next 30 days but there is no official date set yet.
This will be in competition with the Roland E80 but it will have a sampler with 64mB of memory and the E80 has no sampling capability.



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#167077 - 09/15/06 09:45 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14182
Loc: NW Florida
With an MSRP of $3400, and MAP of $2700, this is closer to the G70's price range (especially now it's sold through MI division stores).

The E80. we were told, will be in the $4500 MSRP range, probably with a MAP of $3700 or upwards.

So, no real direct Roland comparison (and Rolands are SO overpriced since they went CK Division). But it seems to offer good value at it's price point, somewhat more than an E60, but way less than an E80, and the sampler is very good, especially compared to T2's rather closed system. Akai compatibility is HUGE if you want a good, inexpensive choice of sampler libraries (but still no USB2, so it will load slowly....).

Korg's are definitely the arranger of choice if you want to do anything remotely contemporary (hiphop and urban styles), and the easy to use sampler will make it a real challenge to the T2 if a sampler is an essential thing to have. Plus, is it just me, or is the piano demo on the PA800 site the first Korg piano sound I actually like? Sounded really full and warm to me, a first for Korg arrangers (and keyboards pre-Oasys)!
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#167078 - 09/15/06 10:39 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
mdorantes Offline
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Registered: 11/25/00
Posts: 1210
Loc: Queretaro, Mexico
Hi,
Is going to be a Ketron SD5 vs Korg PA800 as far goes price range, there are several areas that make them very different, the Riff, the sampler option, etc...
I play most in "Tea dances" for many of the Senior Centers that Arizona has, I use also the Tyros2, and for most Foxtrots, I found the Korg patterns more suitable than the Yammis, the Yamaha is more Big Band full brass oriented, I sold the PA60 because I want to update, either I get the SD5 by Ketron or the Korg PA800.
I am glad that Korg keep the user interface very similar, perhaps the screen menus to learn, but not the whole thing.
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#167079 - 09/16/06 08:45 AM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
korgfan Offline
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Registered: 10/13/02
Posts: 45
Loc: tarzana, ca, usa
It seems that the only major difference with Korg pa1x is the memory (64MB) for sample ram.
I wonder, is it possible to upgrade korg PA-1x memory to 64 by taking out the 16MB and replacing it with two 32 MB Rams?!!!
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#167080 - 09/16/06 12:21 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
miden Offline
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Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 3354
Loc: The World
hi korgfan...the other BIG difference is the 800 has 12o note poly...the architecture of the PA means that it can only recognise 16mb edo ram chips..ergo a max of 32..
dennis

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#167081 - 09/16/06 03:37 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
One of the things I enjoy about both the Tyros 2 and Midjay is the ability to load all my lyrics onto the hard drive and call them up with a style associated.


Hi Don. This is a key feature I too have grown to appreciate & use on Tyros2. After perusing the PA800 USER MANUAL , I've discovered 'good news' on page 170:

"Linked TXT:

You can select a text (.TXT) file, and link it to the Style or Song associated with the current SongBook entry. When you select this entry, the text file is automatically loaded.

Text files can be seen in the display and in an external monitor (provided the VIF4 Video Interface has been installed). Since there is no automatic synchronization between this kind of lyrics and the associated songs, you must scroll them manually. This can be accomplished in either of two way:

1) when a ".TXT" file is selected, a special vertical scrollbar appears in the Lyrics/STS page of the SongBook mode. Touch it to scroll through the text during the performance."


Another appealing feature I especially like about the PA800 right off is its weight & size:

Korg PA800 (including speakers)
Weight: 30.64 lb
Dimensions: W:43.7" x D:15.27" x H:6.45"

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Comparatively

Korg PA1X (including speakers)
Weight: 48.6 lbs
Dimensions: W: 44.21 x D:16.85" x H:7.44"

Tyros2 (no speakers)
Weight: 31.97 lbs
Dimensions: W:48.88" x D:17.72" x H:5.39"

PSR3000 (including speakers)
Weight: 24.5 lbs
Dimensions: W:38-5/16" x D:15-11/16" x H:6-5/16"

Two questions (important to me) I'd like answered are:

1) Does the PA800 include jazz style rootless chord voicing recognition, as the PA1X/PA1Xpro now include?

2) What acoustic grand piano sample is included on the PA800? Same one included in the PA1xPro or different?

As much as I continue to LOVE my Tyros2, the new Korg PA800 looks to be a terrific lightweight road worthy keyboard addition worth serious consideration.

Scott
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#167082 - 09/16/06 04:04 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
ptram Offline
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Registered: 02/14/05
Posts: 55
Scott,

The PA800 includes the same chord recognition engine as the Pa1X. So, yes, the jazz style rootless chord voicing recognition is definitely there.

The acoustic piano sample is different than the one in the Pa1X, and is derived from the new sample made for the SP-250, C-520 and C-720 digital pianos. You can have a taste of it by listening to the demos in the www.korgpa.com web site.

Best regards,
Paolo

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#167083 - 09/16/06 05:41 PM Re: PA800 - New PA from KORG
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
Posts: 3163
Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
I am wondering what the differences and similarities are on the Tyros2 and PA800 as far as expanded and rootless chords? Does one give you more of this than the other? Also wondering how close the fingerings are between the two kb's and also in relationship to what a regular piano player would use on a standard piano as far as fingerings and voicings.

Anybody know as of yet?

I agree this looks interesting enough for me to want to try and possibly add it to the T2 or, who knows?

Scott

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