I currently use a Roland MC-80 to playback midi sequences, I then load the SMF to the Tyros, and the playback is not as good as the Roland's.

I am assuming the Tyros uses a GM soundset for SMF playback, (which is poor ) can I have the Tyros instantly re-voice to use the Tyros better voices or do I have to go into each program change and put it in myself?

Frank,
Mixer>auto revoice will revoice automatically to the best Tyros voice.
Terry

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jam on,
Terry http://imjazzed.homestead.com/Index.html

I saw that but it seems to only revoice a handful of voices,

I'm talking about using the better drums, piano, bass, guitars, brass ..., etc

Frankie, Roland GS is still unsurpassed when it comes to sequence playback..Anyone that compared will confirm..

I knew that about 5 years ago but I figured since we have these modern marvels of inventions and $4000 + keyboards, you would think they were able to do something to get close enough to compete, but I guess not.

So it will take me years of remapping program changes to make the Tyros closer to the GS soundset

Ow wait for the next Roland arranger

Uncle Dave,

How does the Korg SMF playback compare to the Tyros?

frankieve,

I'm guessing that midifiles played on the Tyros will sound similar to those played on the 2000. Midifile playback inthe majority of the cases does sound better on my PA80 than on my 2000, but not sure if it's at the level of the Roland's.

For midifiles that I like to use ( I don't use very many though ), I usually reassign the appropriate 2k / PA80 voice in Sonar and save. I have to do this a lot with the Motif too, as it doesn't always recognize the drums, but of the three, I would say the Motif has the best GM set, but the files still need work on it too.

AJ

Guys this is pretty cool, you Tyros and other PSR owners might be interested in,

I posted the same question on another forum and was given a link to a program. This program allows all PSR model owners ( including Tyros ) to go through the midi file, and automatically change programs to the better voices, with a click of the button,

Yeah!!!

wheres the link?

Donny, this should be the link Frank is talking about...
http://www.svpworld.com/util_midiplayer.htm

-- José.

Sorry guys, I'm an idoit, I forgot to put the link in, duh!!!

If you guys get to try it first let me know how it works,

later

The PA80 sounds better in smf playback. If you could save the EQ edits on the Tyros....it could bridge the gap, but at the flat 64 settings...it's lifeless - even when revoiced. GM was made on a Roland, and Korg and Roland have always held hands nicely.

Can this midiplayer program also be used
for correcting and improving the sound of GM SMFs to work on a PSR-1000/2000?

Thanks Uncle Dave,

I did have a little hope that it would sound at least as good. Better off

So as it stands

plackback quality SMF
1. Roland GS (not JV/XR stuff)
2. Korg
3. Ketron/Yamaha
4. Everybody else?

LAter

Can this midiplayer program also be used
for correcting and improving the sound of GM SMFs to work on a PSR-1000/2000?

That's what it said but only if there are other voices to choose from

By Far ... the SD1 has the BEST SMF playback I have heard. Especialy songs containing Guitar strumming (ex. James Taylor etc.) Awhile back I was at a Sam Ash and played a Tune 1000 James Taylor SMF in a 9000Pro and a Triton. The 9000Pro was Very Poor the Triton much better, but not as "Life Like" as the SD1. I am hoping the PA1XPro is an improvement. The Roland (I owned a G600 & G1000),in my oppinion, does a better job than the Korg and the Yamaha.

Ok.
Like UD says, if you play the SMF with the factory set-up on the Tyros, yes, you don't get a very crisp/textured sound. However, if you go in to the mixer and change the compressor and EQ settings to live/club etc. you will notice that you get a whole different sound picture. I don't know about yours, but my Tyros plays the files fabulous.

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Roy-Andrè

That's simply changing an EQ setting, if the voices are not there or different, it effects the way they saounds with or without EQ.

I have a midi file of the nora Jones hit, when played through my Tyros is played fine, but then I happened to play it on my Roland MC-80 and it went from a great sounding midi file playback to an almost actuall live performance, I doubt that EQing could get that to happen.

But if it could I need the biggest eq for my performances.

someone mentioned the EQ setting could not be stored? So if I change the settings to live/club, it will revert back when? everytime the keyboard is powered up or every midi file is played?

As far as I can tell - you can't store changes to individual EQ in the seq parts. I tried a dozen times with no success. Each time a new midi file is called up - the default goes to 64(straight up) settings. 64 is lifeless on the Tyros.

It doesn't seem right that you can make such precise edits, but not save them for later use? It saves the global graphic. It saves the individual EQ settings for the real time parts (in registrations)...why not the seq parts? Am I missing something here?

Looks like I get the Ty on Sunday...if this dude hasn't changed his mind. I got a LOT of work ahead of me......and here I go into my busiest season too! Aaaghhh !
WHAT DID I DOOOoooooooo>

Uncle Dave,

I think if globally you can get the Tyros to get that umph accross, then most of the styles are pretty good, some exceptional, a couple are boring.

As for Midi playback, I think with the added eq ( which probably can be saved and sent with each midi file as a system exclusive )and the remapping to the better voices, you pretty much there.

I'm still a little worried about the on board harmonizer but with everything you have to acquire the taste for it.

It is different but both you and I are used to hearing things one way, so maybe we are being too critical. I don't know

Just have a couple of Long Island Ice teas just before you play and then everything sounds awesome

Haven't tried it, but maybe you can set the e.q.s in the song, then save the songa s a new midi file.
DonM

I found a sure way of making the PSR2100 sound great when playing SMF's....First power up the PSR2100, then using a midi cable connect one end into the midi out jack, then the other end of the cable into the midi in jack of a G1000....Great drums , realistic instruments and no overdone vibrato...try it you'll like it.

Hi Fran.

Just a tip.
We do not have enough G1000 to make this operation...Yamaha produces more 2100 by month than the entire G1000 production.
Go to the botton of kbds and see the serial numbers...
Chico

Chico if the total number in the serial number means anything, you may be right..My G1000 numerals read 91xxx. My PSR2100 numerically reads 606xxx...I find it hard to believe Yamaha has sold over 606000 units..I also find it hard to think that Roland sold over 91000[in 98 when I bought mine}..

If I can recall Yamahas best selling keyboard was the DX7[over 300000] Roland was the D50[250000] Korg M1 is the overal leader[over 350000]...Of the 3, I preferred the DX7..BTW Siel was the DK600[less than 4000}

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 09-06-2003).]

OK Fran.
Then, another point of view.
Today here in Belo Horizonte (3.300.000 people) I don't see more than 10 G1000 in operation, but I know that the most important local Yamaha dealer sold 12 Psr 2100 and 3 Tyros in this week.
I am not an Yamaha endorser, and owned Roland since E20 until Va7 but for me Roland, as arranger manufacturer stoped in time,since 2000 when the G1000 was discotinued.I cannot see a good future here, because a lot of traditional Roland owners(as me) migrated to others options.
Go back is always hard.
Another reason for the Roland falling is here:
Just some prices in Belo Horizonte:
Roland FD drive: US$100,00
Yamaha FD drive: US$17,00
VA7 owner manual: US$30,00
Yamaha owner manual: Free download (anyone)

Chico