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#165543 - 12/19/06 10:47 PM
Re: Fran how is the Mediastation so far....interested in your opinions?
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#165545 - 12/20/06 04:56 AM
Re: Fran how is the Mediastation so far....interested in your opinions?
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Fran,
I'm sorry my friend, but this second demo is not much better than the first.
I just had a PSR-E403(entry level) keyboard on my Yamaha sample account, it sounds much better than the Mediastation....sounded so good I nearly purchased it, but my budget wouldn't allow it at this time.
I sure hope the Mediastation gets better styles, and improved voices, or I'm afraid it will be a losing proposition in today's market.
All the best,
Ian
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#165547 - 12/20/06 10:56 AM
Re: Fran how is the Mediastation so far....interested in your opinions?
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MUCH better demos, Domenik, but until you start to get velocity switched drums in there (presumably not used much, yet?) there is a lack of dynamics that all other high end arrangers have, especially Rolands (IMHO).
Mediumr1.mp3 is a case in point. Absolutely robotic in feel, have a listen to those snare fills. No dynamics at all, sounds like a drum machine from the 80's.
If you map that style to a good GIGA drumset, it is still going to have no dynamics. The whole point of multi-velocity drums is that no two hits sound identical. And as it gets louder, it's timbre changes. If the style has no dynamics in the first place, you are going to have to completely re-work it to stop even a GIGA kit from sounding 80's. Best to do the work now.
Have your style developer run those drum parts through a GIGA kit BEFORE he signs off on it, if that is going to be the basis for styles in the future, It will save you a lot of work down the line.
And did I get you wrong, or are you going to be able to use VST as well as GIGA for the styles in the future? Your last post only mention GIGA. I'm a huge fan of BFD, and would really like to be able to use it live!
On the whole, I thought those styles you posted were a big improvement on what Fran is posting (please stop him from messing your business up any further than he has already done!), but in all fairness, they still don't compare to the T2's or Roland G70/E80's. If you presume (probably very likely) that most potential buyers of an expensive arranger like the MS (of course we will want it fully loaded!) already have home systems capable of VST, GIGA and recording, etc., the only thing we are likely to need the MS for is to be able to go out live and do the same thing. But until the styles are BETTER than Roland and Yamaha, most of us probably consider the styles to be more important than the sound they are played through, given how good the T2 and E80 already sound, and are going to prefer great styles over great sounds.
I don't know if your eastern or middle eastern styles absolutely rock! or whether the bar never was that high in the first place, but here in the west, you have a tough job to better your competition in that primary need. Don't give it second place to any other priority. It is the ONE thing that will determine if you succeed or fail in the arranger market...
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#165548 - 12/20/06 11:24 AM
Re: Fran how is the Mediastation so far....interested in your opinions?
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Abacus..... pretty good for a conversion (although it is using the count-off sticks instead of a real sidestick), but in all fairness (again) it didn't sound any better than my G70, despite the Abacus being nearly twice the price.
That's the nature of diminishing returns - the better the Big 3's arrangers get, the harder it is to justify paying double or more for something that only sounds 25% better (or whatever % better you think it is).
I'm also getting a little tired of the software arranger people touting 'open' systems as being the ONLY way to get improvements in their hardware. In the 16 months I've had my G70, Roland have come out with TWO major upgrades, adding several previously unthought of improvements (another mode altogether - Guitar Mode - and now the ability to put a parametric EQ on every single Part) along with numerous OS improvements and bugfixes. Not to mention minor upgrades that squashed bugs and changed some OS features at the users' requests.
I know it's not the same as OAS, but it IS a major step forward, at no cost to the user at all...... The sound of the G70 is now considerably better than when I bought it, and it works far better too (some of the OS improvements were added at the request of just one user!). So, although they are not as public about it, Roland's R&D team seem to be responsive, not Domenik's sole domain.....
Anyway, rant off! Thanks for posting, everyone. You can't make up your mind just TALKING about these things.... you have to hear it to believe it.....
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