The more I think about it, I'm almost certain that there is a bug in the vocal harmonizer.
There should be a way to take out the original voice when you're using the harmonizer. Otherwise there would be no reason to include voices such as Karaoke Girl and Squeeky Mouse (or whatever they call it). The have no use unless you can use them only as a novelty.
Or maybe I'm missing something. You wouldn't want a mouse singing harmony with you would you?
DonM

I think you are right Don.
Atleast this is how it works on my Pro.
If I select a Mouse type it automatically turns off my voice and you can here only the mouse part.
Maybe a call to Yamaha help line might clear up things...

Good luck

Eric

I agree with you guys!

The lead/harmony knob setting displays:
L63\H
if panned fully to the left, and:
L/H63
if panned fully to the right.

At twelve o'clock, it displays L=H.

The lead/harmony balance knob appears to only increase/decrease the harmony volume level. The volume of the lead voice stays the same no matter what the balance knob is set to.

Don, I hope you will contact Yamaha right away to point out this obvious bug. Only then can your act include a solo by the 'Queen of Country' - Donna Mason !



[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 12-13-2001).]

my psr2k forced me to sing. I won't be able to turn off the lead voice (my own voice),
although the manual said tweak the balance
knob, then you can maximize the Harmony voice
and minimize the lead voice or vice versa.
I have listened to svp world's vocal harmonizer Liza & Tina mp3 demo made on psr740. I heard only the female voices, why
this can't be done on the new 2K? hope someone or Yamaha can clarify the mystery.

FYI,
Scott phoned Yamaha about this problem and they agreed that it needed to be "fixed".
I phoned them also, and they took my number, assigned a case number, and promised to call me back. That was two days ago.
If all of us call and complain, they will listen.
Maybe George Kaye could get their ear on this. It is a definite mistake.
Thanks,
DonM

Hi DonM: Well, let's put it this way, the Yamaha PSR Technical support guy (Bill Kamstra) actually wasn't really willing to admit it was a bug (yet). After explaining the problem to him, he told me that the harmomizer was only "operating correctly as 'outlined' in the owner's manual". It was only after I had him actually re-read page 131 of the PSR2000's owners manual that he finally agreed to forward the problem to another source (dept?) to look into this. He told me he would get back to me. That was last week.

On another related Yamaha PSR2000 possible bug issue which I believe that both Don Mason & Uncle Dave are experiencing as well: The "Registration Memory" (buttons 1-8) do not save the 'fingering type' (fingered, full keyboard, etc) as part of a registration setup. If for instance (with ACMP turned on) , I select 'fingered' mode and save it to "Registration #1, and then select 'full keyboard" mode and save it to Registration #2, when I go back and select Registration #1, the fingering mode stays on "full keyboard" mode even though I had saved Registration #1 to be in 'fingered mode'.

What's 'most' interesting to note though, is that with ACMP (auto-accompaniment) turned OFF, the 'finger modes' ARE saved in Registration Memory and change correctly when selecting various Registration Memory buttons (1-8) with different 'fingering types' saved into each memory registration. I had sent an email to Yamaha Technical Support at: yamahasupport@yamaha.com , back on Nov 26th and NEVER got a response back from them about this.

I'm now hoping that George Kaye might have some 'special influence' with Yamaha to get these two issues (Reg Memory: saving Finger Mode settings & Vocal Harmonizer balance problem) resolved . I'm hoping other PSR2000 owners out there will contact Yamaha about this as well. The squeeky wheel gets the oil they say. Yamaha's telephone number is: (714)522-9011 and technical support email address is: yamahasupport@yamaha.com

PSR2000 Owners Manual (page 131)
Vocalizer Balance Setting description:
This lets you set the balance between the lead vocal (your own voice) and Vocal Harmony. Raising this value increases the volume of the Vocal Harmony and decreases that of the lead vocal. When this is set to L-H63 (L: Lead Vocal, H: Vocal Harmony), only the Vocal Harmony is output; when it is set to L63-H, only the lead vocal is output.



[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 12-17-2001).]

Scottyee & DonM,

hope you guys can get some position feedback
from yamaha. otherwise, the harmony control
balance is useless. L63-H you actually got
both lead and harmony voices (pg 131 of the
manual said only lead voice will output),
L-H63 you actually got a out of tune robotic
voice even you set to karaoke girl (manual
said only harmony voice will output) Don is
right, you only need the mouse to sing, who
wants the mouse to sing with you.
also when callup the VH edit screen, on the
top, there are vocoder and chordal type with
lots of parameter/value setting like oTrns,
AUTO, -3Trns, -2Trns, -1Trns, +1 Trns, UNSN oB, UNSNoA, 3Unsn, JAZZ BL, JAZZ AB, JAZZ Ab,
Dia Blw, Duet Bo, BB, Trio BL, AB, Ab etc...
what are these stand for. can't find these
in the manual.

cheer

You'd think Yamaha would urgently want to find out as many bugs as possible so that they have time to put them into their next OS. It really looks like they are putting their heads in the sand. Maybe for every one informed call about a valid bug there are ten people who call whose "bug" is solved by reading the manual more carefully. I have had pretty good luck in getting in touch with Yamaha over the phone, even though it can take several days to reach a human being. It's better than some other music related companies.

Larry

Actually, you shouldn't have to touch the controls to get the effect of the solo harmony voices. The 9000, 740, and 8000 automatically set the Squeeky Mouse and Karaoke girl to the correct setting--no lead voice. It is a boo-boo that the 2000 does not.
DonM
By the way, it has been 5 days, and Yamaha has not phoned me.
I'll be "On The Road Again" for two days. See ya'll later.

Guys, Since your into regestration memory,
another thing I would like to see is when you put your song settings to R/M you could also record Sync Start @ Intro, if you want,
two less buttons to push between songs.
I would like for the settings to remain the way you set them! You shut of the board everything you set returns to default settings & I don't like that!
A great thing on any board would be a single button where you could change between to programed Instrments. The nearst thing I've found to it on the 2000 is main & layer.
You can put say Gtr. in one, maybe a sax in the other, bring the volume up on the layer
voice. I've found you can change between two voices very quickly with a little practice.
Scottyee said he put different voices in
R/M 1~8. But I've got all my song settings
on a floppy! If I try to put voice settings
in user it doesn't work. I load the setting for the song I want from the floppy. So far so good,but then I try to load one of the Voices in user R/M and I get everything thats loaded in user of coarse. I don't know I think I'M lost right now!
Maybe You guys can help me!!
Nobby


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[This message has been edited by Nobby (edited 12-18-2001).]

With floppy styles you can

Creat OTSs and resave the style
Create registrations with voices appropriate for that style of music
Create registrations with preset and user styles including voices appropriate for a certain style of music. Then you can use the FREEZE function so that the style doesn't change when you press it. The only downside is that the left voice gets frozen too.

Larry

Maybe I am freaking out...but the whole registration thing is very confusing and the manual has not been much help. Now I am thinking two sets of registration banks would be helpful...one for styles, another for voices. I understand what you are saying about the Freeze...but jeez, on a job, there is plenty to think about without trying to remember all the intracacies of the registration panels.

Memory Registrations do a bunch for only 8 buttons, but it is mind-blowing toggling back and forth between presets, user and floppy, styles, voices, ots, saving this to that, copying, pasting, folders and files. I had such a mess going, I reverted everything back to factory and am starting over. Now the pages of the manual are falling out. LOL

The solution seems to be experiment and find what works best for YOU. I'm still looking. It all kinda makes the 740 a walk in the park.

If you have styles associated with a registration, and you're in another style, you merely DON'T TOUCH the registration buttons if the FREEZE light isn't on.
Look: You can set up one registration button only, and you are ready to gig. Just set up one registration button with your global preferences. Turn on the keyboard and load that registration. Now the mic reverb, harmony settings, and everything else is where you want it.
Create OTSs for your favorite floppy styles for which OTSs don't exist. If you use that style for only one song, save the style at the desired tempo.
For my Christmas gigs, I have all of my favorite Xmas styles on one floppy. Each style is named after the song and set at the desired tempo. Each style has four OTSs perfectly suited for that song. All I need to do is pull up the style, transpose if necessary, press an OTS, and start playing. It's easy as pie. I don't even use registrations, except to configure my global preferences. At some point I'll start using the registrations for voices, I don't need them for styles.
For preset styles, you can either save them to a floppy or as USER styles at your desired tempo, or pull them up, quickly set the tempo and the transpose if necessary and away you go. The advantage of saving the style to floppy or user memory is that you can create a custom OTS.
If you prepare your keyboard and your style floppy well before you gig, you really don't have to do that much while you're playing.
The only reason why the PSR740 is a walk in the park is that there isn't much you can do with it. You can't create your own OTSs or more than three USER styles, and you can't access the registrations easily so most people wouldn't use them.
The only major disadvantage I experience with the PSR2000 is when I want to get that simple intro in the middle of a song. I have to be in the main screen and press two buttons before I press INTRO on the PSR2000.
It takes a little bit of learning to get used to anything new, and I also felt a bit attached to my PSR740 when I first started, but now that I'm up and running with the PSR2000, and I see the way my clients respond to the music, I'd almost feel embarrassed to perform with the PSR740 now - especially because the mic output is so superior on the PSR2000.

Larry

Larry...
I am glad you have found a way to set up the 2000 that satisfies you..and it does sound like a workable system for you. A little more complex for me, as I will explain.

I was under the impression that as many as 250 registrations(style, tempo and key changes) could be saved to one disk.

Why is that important to me? I sometimes work as a single..and, other times, as a duo with one of two girl singers I use. Each of us sing many of the same songs, but in different keys, and sometimes even different tempos. It is impossible to remember who sings what in which key. With the 740 I made disks for each of us and have a master list of songs with the registration number next to each song. For voices, if I want more than the OTS a style provides, I program two I like into the Right and Left, adjust the volumes, tweak, etc and save it to the song's registration. That gives me my two, plus the 4 in OTS. Plus I have a couple voice numbers memorized and can get to them on the fly.

It doesn't matter who is singing as long as I have my master song list and their disk loaded...the registration codes for each song is the same for all of us. The difference is in the individual changes I have made to each person's disk.

Yes, limitation of only 3 user styles in the 740 is a definite downside and really slows things down when I need to load a style to accomodate a request.

But, the documentation I read on the 2000 led me to believe I could save anything I needed to disk.

There is no doubt the 2000 sounds better once I get a song set up. I am just looking for a way to save each individual setting to disk and take advantage of its lightning fast loading speed without having to adjust tempos and keys before I can start a song.

Sorry if I sound a little frustrated here. I love the 2000 dearly, but don't feel I have a good enough command of the instrument to take it on a gig yet...and am hopeful I can find a way to accomplish the tasks mentioned above.

I will try your system though and see if I can adjust to it. Thanks for your input.

BSharp:

Do this:

Create 8 of your favorite voices and save this as a registration.

Put a label above the buttons so you know which voice is which.

Now call up this registration and expand on it by associating a style, tempo, transpose, etc with each voice. Make names for each button with the name function. Rename the registration.

When you're done with these eight, create another set of eight.

Now all you have to do is

1. Call up the registration of your choice
2. Press Freeze (locking the style, tempo, and transpose,etc.)
3. Press the OTS or the registration button of your choice to call up your preferred right voice.

Now you have the 4 OTSs plus eight of your favorite voices.

Ready for the next song?

1. Press Freeze to undo the freeze
2. Call up the registration
3. Press Freeze again

I think this is pretty simple.

Larry

Hey Don,
My 2k allows just the wet signal of the harmonizer if you pan the control all the way right. I tested it with the bass voice and the mouse. It seems to reset to a default value when selected, but after you edit it - it works ok.

Dave,
Thanks, but I promise you that mine does not. Maybe you have a newer OS?? I know some folks have 1.10. Mine is 1.0.
Anyway, it should be automatic.
I'm really disappointed that Yamaha did not call me back as they promised.
DonM

I have the beta os too, but I DID check the harmonizer and it can omit the lead when modified. Strange, huh?