The more I think about it, I'm almost certain that there is a bug in the vocal harmonizer.
There should be a way to take out the original voice when you're using the harmonizer. Otherwise there would be no reason to include voices such as Karaoke Girl and Squeeky Mouse (or whatever they call it). The have no use unless you can use them only as a novelty.
Or maybe I'm missing something. You wouldn't want a mouse singing harmony with you would you?
DonM

I think you are right Don.
Atleast this is how it works on my Pro.
If I select a Mouse type it automatically turns off my voice and you can here only the mouse part.
Maybe a call to Yamaha help line might clear up things...

Good luck

Eric

I agree with you guys!

The lead/harmony knob setting displays:
L63\H
if panned fully to the left, and:
L/H63
if panned fully to the right.

At twelve o'clock, it displays L=H.

The lead/harmony balance knob appears to only increase/decrease the harmony volume level. The volume of the lead voice stays the same no matter what the balance knob is set to.

Don, I hope you will contact Yamaha right away to point out this obvious bug. Only then can your act include a solo by the 'Queen of Country' - Donna Mason !



[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 12-13-2001).]

my psr2k forced me to sing. I won't be able to turn off the lead voice (my own voice),
although the manual said tweak the balance
knob, then you can maximize the Harmony voice
and minimize the lead voice or vice versa.
I have listened to svp world's vocal harmonizer Liza & Tina mp3 demo made on psr740. I heard only the female voices, why
this can't be done on the new 2K? hope someone or Yamaha can clarify the mystery.

FYI,
Scott phoned Yamaha about this problem and they agreed that it needed to be "fixed".
I phoned them also, and they took my number, assigned a case number, and promised to call me back. That was two days ago.
If all of us call and complain, they will listen.
Maybe George Kaye could get their ear on this. It is a definite mistake.
Thanks,
DonM

Hi DonM: Well, let's put it this way, the Yamaha PSR Technical support guy (Bill Kamstra) actually wasn't really willing to admit it was a bug (yet). After explaining the problem to him, he told me that the harmomizer was only "operating correctly as 'outlined' in the owner's manual". It was only after I had him actually re-read page 131 of the PSR2000's owners manual that he finally agreed to forward the problem to another source (dept?) to look into this. He told me he would get back to me. That was last week.

On another related Yamaha PSR2000 possible bug issue which I believe that both Don Mason & Uncle Dave are experiencing as well: The "Registration Memory" (buttons 1-8) do not save the 'fingering type' (fingered, full keyboard, etc) as part of a registration setup. If for instance (with ACMP turned on) , I select 'fingered' mode and save it to "Registration #1, and then select 'full keyboard" mode and save it to Registration #2, when I go back and select Registration #1, the fingering mode stays on "full keyboard" mode even though I had saved Registration #1 to be in 'fingered mode'.

What's 'most' interesting to note though, is that with ACMP (auto-accompaniment) turned OFF, the 'finger modes' ARE saved in Registration Memory and change correctly when selecting various Registration Memory buttons (1-8) with different 'fingering types' saved into each memory registration. I had sent an email to Yamaha Technical Support at: yamahasupport@yamaha.com , back on Nov 26th and NEVER got a response back from them about this.

I'm now hoping that George Kaye might have some 'special influence' with Yamaha to get these two issues (Reg Memory: saving Finger Mode settings & Vocal Harmonizer balance problem) resolved . I'm hoping other PSR2000 owners out there will contact Yamaha about this as well. The squeeky wheel gets the oil they say. Yamaha's telephone number is: (714)522-9011 and technical support email address is: yamahasupport@yamaha.com

PSR2000 Owners Manual (page 131)
Vocalizer Balance Setting description:
This lets you set the balance between the lead vocal (your own voice) and Vocal Harmony. Raising this value increases the volume of the Vocal Harmony and decreases that of the lead vocal. When this is set to L-H63 (L: Lead Vocal, H: Vocal Harmony), only the Vocal Harmony is output; when it is set to L63-H, only the lead vocal is output.



[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 12-17-2001).]

Scottyee & DonM,

hope you guys can get some position feedback
from yamaha. otherwise, the harmony control
balance is useless. L63-H you actually got
both lead and harmony voices (pg 131 of the
manual said only lead voice will output),
L-H63 you actually got a out of tune robotic
voice even you set to karaoke girl (manual
said only harmony voice will output) Don is
right, you only need the mouse to sing, who
wants the mouse to sing with you.
also when callup the VH edit screen, on the
top, there are vocoder and chordal type with
lots of parameter/value setting like oTrns,
AUTO, -3Trns, -2Trns, -1Trns, +1 Trns, UNSN oB, UNSNoA, 3Unsn, JAZZ BL, JAZZ AB, JAZZ Ab,
Dia Blw, Duet Bo, BB, Trio BL, AB, Ab etc...
what are these stand for. can't find these
in the manual.

cheer

You'd think Yamaha would urgently want to find out as many bugs as possible so that they have time to put them into their next OS. It really looks like they are putting their heads in the sand. Maybe for every one informed call about a valid bug there are ten people who call whose "bug" is solved by reading the manual more carefully. I have had pretty good luck in getting in touch with Yamaha over the phone, even though it can take several days to reach a human being. It's better than some other music related companies.

Larry

Actually, you shouldn't have to touch the controls to get the effect of the solo harmony voices. The 9000, 740, and 8000 automatically set the Squeeky Mouse and Karaoke girl to the correct setting--no lead voice. It is a boo-boo that the 2000 does not.
DonM
By the way, it has been 5 days, and Yamaha has not phoned me.
I'll be "On The Road Again" for two days. See ya'll later.

Guys, Since your into regestration memory,
another thing I would like to see is when you put your song settings to R/M you could also record Sync Start @ Intro, if you want,
two less buttons to push between songs.
I would like for the settings to remain the way you set them! You shut of the board everything you set returns to default settings & I don't like that!
A great thing on any board would be a single button where you could change between to programed Instrments. The nearst thing I've found to it on the 2000 is main & layer.
You can put say Gtr. in one, maybe a sax in the other, bring the volume up on the layer
voice. I've found you can change between two voices very quickly with a little practice.
Scottyee said he put different voices in
R/M 1~8. But I've got all my song settings
on a floppy! If I try to put voice settings
in user it doesn't work. I load the setting for the song I want from the floppy. So far so good,but then I try to load one of the Voices in user R/M and I get everything thats loaded in user of coarse. I don't know I think I'M lost right now!
Maybe You guys can help me!!
Nobby


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