You know what be a really good feature. If you had more than one fill per variation. I know you can fill to next or previous. But just one fill inside the current style can be pretty limiting IMHO. Just thinking out loud.

And also there are many kinds of fills that can be useful per variation

1) a stop filling: the drums comes to conclusion stop strongly and quickly...and as long as you continue pressing the filling it keeps the stop.

2) syncopated or groove filling: the filling is syncopated or of different groove and as long as you continue pressing the filling keeps at that groove.

3) filled power filling: the drums fills the piece completely and the longer you press the longer it is.

4) regular fillin that comes with the keyboard.

I really like your suggestions sk880user. Especially number 3. Another thing I'd like to be able to do is change to a different meter within the style like going from 4/4 to 3/4 and back, etc. Many songs I hear change meters a lot. I guess on of the first I can remember was the Beatles "All you need is love". It went from 4/4 to 3/4 to 4/4 during the main verses. There's probably a way to "trick" the arranger into doing this. I guess you could write it into the style somehow. hmmmm

[This message has been edited by Vic01 (edited 08-02-2001).]

Re-garding FILLS, I would like to see PADS on the VA7's as per the KN's. You could then program your own FILLS on 6 PADS to suit yourself......Just a thought.
When I play a friends KN6000 I very often mute all the Arrangement parts leaving BASS & DRUMS and bring in the PAD Riffs where required.

Graham UK

Hi Graham. Pads where you could program your own fills would a great idea. On my WK8 they give you a wide range of options that you can assign to the 4 pads but unfortunately custom fills isn't one of them. Did I hear someone say OS update??

Vic01.... The KN6000 you can record a fill straight into the pads, or copy data from the sequencer, meaning you could copy a fill from a Midi File. I believe with the PSR9000 you can do similar.
I would use PADS if I had them.....but people have them and never use them.

A dealer told me he has on a few occasions part exchanged a board only to find the settings from when he delivered the board had never been changed. A friend of mine has a KN2000. He sets it to Easy Swing and never moves away from this setting.... As they say in North Yorkshire, there is nooowt strange as folk.

Graham UK

I'm sure that future arranger keyboards will incorporate extra fills per style to help avoid redundancy. It sounds like some manufacturers have already provided a means to do custom fills within a style. Recording a fill straight into a pad is one solution. I know most arrangers including my WK8 are covered with so many buttons to push that adding extra buttons for fills might not seem marketable. I for one would gladly accept the extra buttons to get something like intro, fill to previous, fill >< 1, fill >< 2, fill >< 3, fill >< 4, fill to next, break, ending. You could even employ multiple intros, breaks and endings. I think what they do now, at least on my WK8, is to try and program the intros and endings to match the variation. That's not a bad scheme, I guess the main thing I would like to see is the ability to have more fills within a variation. This would probably require a completely new set of styles, as these fills would have to incorporated into the styles.

Hello VIC,

Sorry for the long delay, but I would like to share a way to use more FILLS per Variation. It is a trick back from the WS and WX days, and still works

Normally you would have for 4 variations, 4 fills. Now, in one fill; you can choose to program a MAJ, MIN and 7TH. Now, by programming the MAJ as var1, and the MIN in MAJ, and also the 7TH as MAJ you would have 4 variations, each with 3 FILLs....
12 Fills

Now, I know it is a workaround, but it works! Good Luck

greetings from Holland,

Joost Merema http://bounce.to/gemwk4

Hi Joost. Thanks for the reply. Are you talking about taking the contents of the min fill and copying them into the maj and so on? By pressing the fill >< would you then get a random choice of one of those fills? If so, that would be great. I'll give it a try hopefully later tonight.

[This message has been edited by Vic01 (edited 08-09-2001).]

I understand Joost's suggestion and it's a good one. In the architechture of the WK style engine, you can actually program three completely separate fills for each variation - major, minor and seventh. The intention is that you will hear a different fill depending on what type of chord was being played when you hit the fill button. Even if your song only uses major chords, you only need to quickly hit a minor of seventh chord before you hit fill and that will trigger a different fill. The fills themselves don;t have to be minor or seventh in tonality. You can program whatever you like in there. Using this system will give you a total of twelve fills available; three for each variation.

Also, if you tend not to use the Intro function, you can also use this as an extra fill. When pressed it will trigger the pattern you programmed, (again, three patterns per variation are available), and return to the normal riff when finished.

Chris