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#152360 - 05/12/06 06:39 AM
PA1x vs Tyros - chord recognition
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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In the past, I have lauded the PA1x Pro over the Tyros 2 in most of the important areas. There is one area, however, where the Tyros 2 is clearly better; that is, chord recognition and response time. The Tyros 2 is also more forgiving of a chord where all notes are not hit at precisely the same time. Also, the T2 is more predictable (like the G1000) with simple progressions like say a min chord with descending bass (Cm7, Cm7/B, Cm7/Bb, Cm7/A). I am, of course, using Bass Inversion on both boards. Of course I've tried all the available fingerings (1,2,3finger, expert) with no joy on the PA1x. Alternate fingering is awkward, unnatural, and does not help, anyway. It appears that one note in the chord is exaggerated and changes the feel/sound of the chord in the progression. Not a major problem but some tunes (like say, Funny Valentine) just don't sound right in some of the styles most suited to it. Just thought I'd mention it since I'm usually bashing the T2 (well not really BASHING so much as negatively comparing it to the Korg). Another thing, and this is important if you plan to use the Tyros 2 professionally, you MUST significantly tweak the voices and volumes in the factory styles to realize the full potential of this board. Some time ago I loaded someone's tweaked version of the factory styles but never really listened to them until recently. The difference between them and the factory originals is nothing short of astounding. It's like a completely different board and infinitely more useable than before. Just thought I'd pass this along.
Peace,
chas
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#152364 - 05/16/06 07:10 AM
Re: PA1x vs Tyros - chord recognition
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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As far as pro jazz style 'chord voicing' recognition goes, Roland remains the only top arranger kb manufacterer 'behind the 8 ball'. Until they finally come on board to join: Technics, Yamaha, Ketron, and now Korg, in recognizing rootless style jazz chords which allow us to play (live) our arrangers in the jazz piano style of (Bill Evans, Diana Krall, etc), I won't be purchasing a Roland arranger. Come on Roland . . . get with it!
Scott
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#152366 - 05/16/06 12:55 PM
Re: PA1x vs Tyros - chord recognition
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Originally posted by Scottyee: As far as pro jazz style 'chord voicing' recognition goes, Roland remains the only top arranger kb manufacterer 'behind the 8 ball'. Until they finally come on board to join: Technics, Yamaha, Ketron, and now Korg, in recognizing rootless style jazz chords which allow us to play (live) our arrangers in the jazz piano style of (Bill Evans, Diana Krall, etc), I won't be purchasing a Roland arranger. Come on Roland . . . get with it!
Scott Scott, you're correct and I agree with you except that most arranger players don't use jazz voicings (and the manufacturers know this). In fact they sound downright weird with most of the pop styles. Most of the styles seem to work best with simple chords (an exception would be "BEBOP" which seems to work better with jazz voicings on both keyboards). And although it would be nice, most arranger players AND their audiences are not really into Bill Evans (genius though he was). Hey, we both think 'round midnight, Dear ol' Stockholm, A Love Supreme, Ruby, my dear, etc. are great tunes but it's unlikely you're going to hear them at the local bar, nursing home, church social, coffee house, etc.; at least, not two nights in a row. But hey, before the real gig starts, warming up with a 300bpm rendition of Cherokee might impress a cute waitress . chas
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#152368 - 05/16/06 01:55 PM
Re: PA1x vs Tyros - chord recognition
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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These Jazz chord voicing possiblities are not only suited for hard core jazz tunes, but the classic standards: from Gershwin, Cole Porter, to the Beatles, Stevie Wonder, Elton John, & Billy Joel, as well, achieving the professional sound, to which all the fore-mentioned composers use in their playing as well. These aren't merely esoteric jazz chords, but chords recognized & played by most pro 'jazz influenced' pop, r&b, and latin piano players worldwide. I utilize these jazz style chord voicing (as well as standard chord types as well) on nearly all my website song demos. The ability for an arranger to recognize the widest range of chord types & voicings possible simply offers more creative playing options, and of which my audiences (including cute waitresses ) appreciate. - Scott
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