In another thread I told about a very good musician playing at a weddingparty.
Because he is a musicteacher he owns a G70 and a Tyros2.
He played G70-styles and a lot of userstyles and among them Mart Weeho-styles and converted Tyros2-styles.
At weddings he plays the G70 because ,he said the G70 plays more like a real band and the Tyros2-styles sound on a G70 even better than on the Tyros2 itself.
What I heared was very very good.

I find it hard to believe that Tyros 2 styles sound better on a G70 because the G70 doesn't have anything that compares or even comes close to the Super Articulation sounds on a T2. Also going through the converting process, the styles rarely ever come close to the original.
Maybe someone could post an MP3 of the same style on a T2 then the G70 version playing it back, it would be nice to see this demonstrated

Craig we all know how you react everytime someone says something positive about a G70.
That is why your reactions can not be taken as real facts and they are not serious.

Everytime someone says something about a G70 on here no one ever backs up their big mouth by posting proof of how good or bad it sounds. I've only ever seen Neilsh post stuff for the G70 and even he is now moving over to the Tyros 2.
There was nothing wrong whatsoever with my posting above, I simply put if this person thinks T2 styles sound better coming of of a G70 then lets hear the damn things!
So in future you should try reading what I typed before spouting off on one.

[This message has been edited by Craig_UK (edited 05-29-2006).]

I also dont believe that the T2 styles sound better on a G70, or that the G70 styles sound better on the T2.
But i can hear the several demo's on the T2 and from the G70/E80 you cant find any nice sounding demo's or songs ???
Why is everybody so sharp when we are saying something about the G70/E80 ??
It is stil a piece of electronics made by big companys who want to sell a lott of this units.
And Yamaha make's great steps in sound developing and Roland didn't dont blame Yamaha (and his enthousiast owners) that Roland missed the boat !
They make the best hardware keyboard(G70) but its sound old aged.
Just my opinion.

Impuls.

"Newer is not always better"

In this case it is. .

Impuls

Craig, remember that I have decided to keep my G-70 because it beets the Tyros2 in many ways. I have played the Tyros2 for a week now, and yes its a good sounding keyboard with a lot of great styles. The G-70 sounds more like a real band and the Tyros2 sounds more like a cd-recording. So its a matter of taste what you like. I like them both.

Regards
Niels

Hi Neilshs.
I know you still have your G70 as you love it to bits. I'm glad that you also like the Tyros 2 so you now have the best of both worlds.
If you'd have gone for the E80 though you would more or less have had 2 G70's. Having heard the E80 it is very similar sounding to the G70 but I refuse to comment on the E80 hehe, I'll let the others get an ear bashing instead

Hi there,
Been away a while swamped with work and not been able to spend any time online.
Can't quite believe however that I come back and this tired old tosh is still going on!

As a G70 owner however good/bad I think it is I cannot believe that the Ty 2 styles sound better on it than they do on the Ty itself. That would be crazy. I've never used a converted style yet that played as well as it does on the board for which it was intended. (and I've owned a lot of boards).

I have not played the converted TY styles on the G70 so of course I can't be certain but past experience gives me confidence to have the utmost faith in my statements above.

Craig, I also posted a G70 recorded MP3 (although I don't suggest for a moment that it compares with nielshs mastery of the board).

It was a version of 'Easy for you' if you remember and was just recorded as I sat here playing for my own enjoyment and the dog's displeasure Hence it was littered with mistakes and possibly (read definately) not the best showcase for the G70. Still my musical inneptitude and recording ability aside I don't think it sounded quite as bad as many would have us believe the G70 is?

Believe me if I can make it sound half way presentable it can't be all bad

My point is that whatever board we buy/play surely we don't have to validate our choices by pouring scorn on the choices that others have made.

BTW that was not a criticism of Craig as some G70 owners on here seem to displaying remarkable immaturity provocated or not!

Best wishes to all
Tony



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To regularly performing live keyboard players the Tyros2 styles sound over arranged and quickly tiresome with little room to add the necessary personal touches during live performance. It's commonly noted how after a furious intro, the T2 styles cool down to predicatble beds...as Keyboard magazine says, it's the Bently of boom-cuck-ah. It seems silly then to try to play them on the G-70.

Well, first of all it depends on the style you choose; many of the Tyros 2 styles are really tasty, and of course this depends on the person who programmed them.
In the second place, if you think that a style is too busy (overarranged) you can mute one or more tracks at will and save the result as a registration: this way you are free to play manually (in real time) the missing parts.
In the third place, speaking of "boom-cuck-ah", this is a limit of all the arranger keyboards: no matter how carefully you program a style, it will never sound like an ensemble of live musicians, who never play a song (or a part of it, for that matter) exactly the same way twice.
Arranger players that allow you to sync a wav loop to a style sound more authentic, but even so there is a limit to the amount of "authenticity" you can program within a style, and this limit is given by the memory of the instrument.
On the other hand, what is the alternative? Playing with a group of real musicians? Of course this is an entirely different experience, but one that is not always feasible and for many different reasons, both practical and financial.
This subject has been discussed already in the past and different points of views have been voiced.
If even professional players choose today to perform as one man band, there has to be a reason...

Styleconvertion leads often to a good new basicstyle. When you are able to edit and to tweak these converted style you can have a new very good style. This will never be exactly the same as the original style on the original instrument but a good result is possible. All the good arrangers offer you many facilities to work on a style but it takes some time to learn this and to use them. Try it and it will make you more enjoying your instrument.
Come on guys and girls be a complete arrangerplayer !

Why is nobody proving what he says/states ?

Keyboarder and Wis(e-guy):
Please make an audiorecording of a T2 style played on G70 and let people hear what you mean. Only words say nothing in this case!

Do convince us and show us how 'complete' you are Wis. After that we finally can stop 'fighting'




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Exactly, agreed

IMO, which probably doesn't count for much, keyboards are a lot like cameras! They're only as good as the person who is using them. Some of the best photos I've seen published in more than a half century were shot with inexpensive cameras. Some of the best performances I've heard have been played on so-called NON-PROFESSIONAL keyboards.

When I orriginally came to this forum it was a search for knowledge to improve both my playing skills and improve my system. With the help of Uncle Dave, Donny Pesce, Fran Carango, Don Mason and a host of others who willingly provided excellent information and tips I was able to achieve this goal in a very short time. Valuable technical information was exchanged, some of us traveled to where others performed and obtained first-hand information, while others posted MP3s, midi files, photos, and drawings that were very beneficial.

Unfortunately, this no longer seems to be the case. Most of the more recent posts have been along the lines of a pissing contest. A mine's bigger and better than yours attitude serves no meaningful purpose whatsoever, and is absolutely no help to anyone.

If anyone has some solid, helpful, educational, factual information about any keyboard that would benefit owners of those particular boards, this is the kind of information that everyone would benefit from seeing. Photos of setups, upated information on operating systems, new product information, and comparison MP3s are always welcome posts. keep in mind that this forum is where many discovered the Bose PAS system, the Logitech Z-2200 and Z-5500 systems, and much, much more.

C'mon people--post something useful!

Gary

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The wise one has spoken true words..

With a complete keyboardplayer I mean a keyboardplayer using all the facilities of the keyboard. I think there is nothing wrong with that statement. That is not fighting at all,it is just a boost to do everything with your instrument that is possible.

If that were the case I doubt very much that there would be many keyboards sold. I think it's fair to say that very few players ever reach that status. Is there even such a thing as a complete keyboardist? Not even the late Klaus Wunderlich called himself that. In fact, I've never heard someone call himself that.

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Originally posted by kla4:
Why is nobody proving what he says/states ?
Keyboarder and Wis(e-guy):
Please make an audiorecording of a T2 style played on G70 and let people hear what you mean. Only words say nothing in this case!

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Exactly, agreed
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Agree as well.



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Khoi huk ngam sud tee huk kon diow.

Hi Niels,

I would like to ask you something. Now that you own both boards ,if you had to choose from the beginig to buy only one but knowing what is all about them, whitch board would you choose?

p.s my board is an old psr...

Regards
KeybG

I think the complete keyboardplayer does not exist , we can only try to reach that level. Try to get the most and the best out of your keyboard.
For me a complete keyboardplayer is not the same as a topplayer.
I am not a topplayer , perhaps many of you are far better musicians but I like to use all the facilities of my G70.

Hi you all, it was not me that said some Tyrosstyles sound even better on a G70.
Read the first message of this thread !!!
I said what I heard from the converted Tyrosstyles sounds very good.

If your friends T2 syles truly sound better coming out of the G70 as he thinks, why does he still own a T2? Surely he would sell it and just play the styles on the G70.
Being a music teacher he doesn't need both keyboards to teach on, one should be enough.
Also if he had downloaded the T2 styles off the net in the first place he could have saved himself more money by not buying a T2 at all. This all just seems silly to me

I begin to think all these fairy-tales are based on nothing and are just to keep teasing. From now I'll ignore them.

I just converted all the Tyros2 styles to the roland format and played them on my G1000.
A few did sound excellent..about 10% were very usable..More than 50% were useless to me..a combination of poor style selection[for me] and conversion that was not balanced..
For every Tyros2 converted style , I have a Roland style that sounds better..

In all I would have to say Tyros2 conversions could not sound better on a Roland..If that was true..No one would want a Tyros2 that sounds that BAD..

The musician I told from was not a friend of mine. I spoke to him just because he was playing a G70 like I do. He ownes a Tyros and a G70 because he has musicstudents playing those instruments.It is not strange for a musicteacher to have more than one instrument.
It was his opinion about the converted styles and not mine. But a fact is what I heard was very good.
I know it is not easy to get a good style when the style is a conversion but it is a fact that by editing and tweaking you can have a very good result.
This is not a fairy tale.

And with T2 conversions you need even more tweaking & editing due to S.Articulated & mega Sounds found on the T2....but if your willing to do your homework it can be achieved to a certain degree.

I've just come back from my local music shop (been looking at the Oasys again) and I took with me 10 T2 styles. I got my mate to put these into the EMC styleworks and converted them to G70 format. On initial playback they sound appaling but yes you can tweak them to some extent. However they still didn't sound anything like what comes out of the T2, there's no SA sounds, levels are all over the place etc so that was 1 hour wasted for me but at least I know that someone's hearing must be bad if they think they sound better on a G70!

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I tried styles from T2 on G70. I can tell only that that if you use right velocity, effect and sysex is different same styles are played in this keyboard better. All is on good keyboard player. On bigger PA is sound better on G70. EMS is not enough for convert files. Please try them also with different software.

Much of this depends upon the person doing the coversions, and how much time and extra effort is put into tuning the conversions to perfection. I have all of the G-70 styles converted to PSR-3000 and they sound incredible. I've sent them out to hundreds of folks who wholeheartedly agree they sound absolutely fantastic, and a couple of those individuals, who also own G-70s said the styles were better sounding on the Tyros and 3000 than the orriginals on the G-70. Just running styles through EMC Styleworks and converting them to a specific keyboard is only a starting point. It takes endless hours to tweek and tune a style to make it sound good. To reach the outstanding state takes days, and in some instances weeks to achieve.

Cheers,

Gary

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I agree it takes some time to reach a good result with a converted style. I am using EMC styleconvert and after that I have to edit and to tweak with all the facilities of my G70 about one or two hours.
Depends of the style, some of them are good after less than half an houre.
Taking out wrong notes , wrong chords, wrong druminstruments, or changing them or exchange them, deleting what is not good and more.
Using the velocityswitch, very much can be done in the Micro-edit of the G70.
It is right that not all the levels of the supersounds of the Tyros can be played on the G70 but many of the G70 sounds do have a velocityswitch and they can be used.
Sometimes it is better to exchange the sounds for a better result. Using the effects can do a lot on the G70 and on the E80 even more. The E80 will have a EQ for every styletrack which the G70 does not have.
This is why I stay to my statement you can have a very good style by using all the facilities of your keyboard after converting a style.
Most of the keyboards, it does not matter from which factory. But they are all a bit different.

Craig you did not a real serious try and you know that your message is unfair.

Hi
I would buy the G-70.

Regards
Niels

Wis since the G70's own styles are pretty poor I've come to the conclusion that it has to rely on converted Tyros 2 styles in order to provide good rhythms to it's users
Maybe the E80 will contain all of the internal T2 styles converted lmao

I could also mention that the Tyros 2 plays back all of the G70 styles possibly better than the G70 itself since you can replace sounds for the SA ones, but then that would be another story and this thread is already getting long winded.

[This message has been edited by Craig_UK (edited 06-16-2006).]

With a G70 you can have the best of both worlds. Tyrosstyles and G70-styles.
With the E80 the same.

Craig, I think the G70 styles are great..I use 50-60 of them converted to the G1000..as my go to styles..

I know several people that say the same thing..G70 styles converted to the Yamaha PSR 3000..

BTW, Craig I tried to get you to accept me on Skype francis.carango

Hi Fran. I've never had a request from you that's come through asking me to accept it or from anyone on here other than Scott Yee.
I'll certainly add anyone who sends me one, so no idea what's happened there. I alway use the latest version of Skype too
I'm assuming you've got my Skpe off Scott as I never give it out normally?

Just added you and Abacus so will chat soon, got to go out at mo.

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Craig I didn't get it from Scott[He will not give up Skype names]...I searched , knowing your real name [from your email to me]..

It is good to see that some Keyboard users decided to get more out of their instruments by using more of the facilities for editing and tweaking. I got mail from different keyboardplayers with that kind of message. Good luck to you all when trying this.

Yes it is good to get some positive reactions.