It might not be too late to inform Yamaha of our wish list for the successor to the PSR3000. It will probably come out next summer. There was only a year between the PSR2000 and PSR2100, but they were nearly identical keyboards. There were two years between the PSR740 and PSR2000.

Anyway, what features would you want for the keyboard? Please stay practical. I don't think it's practical to ask for aftertouch or weighted keys or sampling.

Here are some of my wishes:

1. Dedicated effects on/off button
2. Dedicated harmonizer on/off button
3. Dedicated echo/harmony on/off button
4. Natural voices from CVP keyboards
5. Something sturdier than Smart Media
6. Improved harmonizer with more realistic harmonies
7. On preset styles, associate them with suitable multipads instead of Live Drums being the default multipad setting for almost every single style
8. More footswitch capability. Maybe create a dedicated five-switch device that can be purchased separately and used with the keyboard. I think many find the MFC10 unwieldy. Even so, there are many functions you cannot access with the MFC10.
9. USER voice names being called up properly
10. More Yamaha quality styles available for purchase via internet
11. If I'm in style variation C and I press BREAK and then button C again, there is no auto fill in. It sounds bad. Fix this.
12. If a registration style cannot be located, it would be nice to have a screen stating this and the option to locate the style. This instead of the style just not calling up.
13. Ability to meld styles and change groove in real time.

Please add as you see fit.

Beakybird

Added to Larry's list:

* Vocal volume control knob right up front similar to Tyros.

* Supertwist, high resolution, backlighted screen.

* Pre-amped auxiliary input.

* Higher wattage power supply.

Gary

Suggested features of future upgrade of PSR3000:
*Greater than 96 polyphony
*3 Right Hand Voices
*2 Left Hand Voices
*Sturdier Music Rest
*Change the color of red in a black background when entering registration names
*2 or more USB ports version 2.0
*Addition of Oriental preset voices & styles
*Wireless Bluetooth connectivity
*More than 1 year limited warranty period

Didi anyone add in the approx $3000.00 price tag if all these features are included if at all?

I should think so... it already has 128 !!


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The wishes of Gary are good for me too.

Chico

It would be impossible to give everyone everything and keep the price the same. The only hardware changes I requested are:

1. Three dedicated buttons that were already on the PSR2000/2100
2. Extra footswitch inputs or a dedicated footswitch controller that can be purchased separately
3. More voice memory to accomodate Natural! voices from CVP keyboards. Now memory is extremely cheap, and we know that the successor to the PSR3000 is going to have more voice memory. How much more, we don't know.

Gary asked for a higher resolution tilt screen. LCD screen technology is improving. See http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/organic_OLEDs_1.htm for the next wave of technology.

Providing a tilt screen would cost more money. How much, I don't know. How many more keyboards Yamaha would sell having one, I don't know.

I would personally second Gary's wish for a sturdier power supply with a three-pronged plug and thicker cables. I don't care if it weighs a lb. more, I don't want to ever worry about it fizzing out - and I have a backup. I don't want to have to walk to my car in the middle of a gig to fetch another power supply.

The mic knob on the front panel makes sense to me.

Quote: Suggested features of future upgrade of PSR3000:
*Greater than 96 polyphony
*3 Right Hand Voices
*2 Left Hand Voices
*Sturdier Music Rest
*Change the color of red in a black background when entering registration names
*2 or more USB ports version 2.0
*Addition of Oriental preset voices & styles
*Wireless Bluetooth connectivity
*More than 1 year limited warranty period

I think some of jnuy1010's recommendations are off. The board has 128 voice polyphony. The board only has 3 month labor and 1 year parts warranty as it is. I would be happy if they extended it to 1 year labor and parts. It would be nice if they had the option of purchasing an extended warranty or offered the Survival Pack like they used to.

The extra voices on the right hand is sensible as the Yamaha top line keyboards have had this for a long time.

As more people from the near and far East settle in Europe and America, it would make sense to incorporate the voices and styles into the PSR3000's successor - not that I would use them.

I think that this internet connectivity is overblown and is mostly a gimmick. Yamaha isn't selling anything there that you cannot get at yamahamusicsoft.com. Nevertheless, doesn't the PSR3000 already allow Bluetooth connectivity with the right adapter?

I think that the music rest is pretty sturdy as it is. Sturdier than the PSR2000/2100.

I would like to hear more thoughts on what you would like even if it has been mentioned already.

Beakybird

Larry,

Great link to the LCD technology advancements--I hope Yamaha and other manufacturers jump onboard this train.

I guess the next question to forum members would be [b]"How much would you be willing to pay for a keyboard with all of the above features?"[\b] I for one would be more than happy to shell out as much as I paid for my old PSR-5700, which if I recall correctly listed for about $3,200 and the street price was about $2,795. I purchased mine shortly after they were discontinued and paid $2,200. So for me, $2,700 to $3,000 would not be out of the realm of a fair price, especially with all the above features.

Cheers,

Gary

Add a small software feature which enables you to see 4 icons on the screen showing the name of the 4 OTS's when a style is selected...as per Korg.
At the moment you have no idea what the OTS's are until you have already pressed on of the OTS buttons.

Good Observation Graham and it would be a very usefull feature.....but remember they will never put all these things into a KB thats bad business...they have to "bait us" along thru the years alway making the consumer left wanting more in this game....sure they KNOW and CAN DO all this stuff, BUT its all about Making Money first

Another poor design feature of the 3000 is the MFD, which after selecting a song, reverts back to the top of the list when the MFD screen is exited. DUMB!

Gary

Right on Gary. It's a drag scrolling through that MFD database. There must be a better way to get from A to the middle of the alphabet.

Scott Yee mentioned a great idea of being able to associate MFD song titles with registrations so you can get the correct transposition and other settings as well.

It would also be nice if MFD could find styles on usb or flash media memory.

Beakybird

graham,if you click back onto main screen after you picked your style,as you click on ots the instruments show up,what do not show up is the instruments that are activated,until you look at the buttons left, R1,R2,mike

better hardware
better keys responce
cleaner mic pre amp and closer gain button VH on/off button
4 outs--ahhh
the list can go on..

Gary. Re-Your query about the MDF.
This is one feature I also complained about and I was told to do the following.
From MDF press any button other than EXIT.
Example... Voice, now press exit from Voice you will see the MDF listing is just where you left it.

I think all of us will agree on this, but I think this can be simply changed in a software update.
For hardware changes we have to wait for the PSR3100. I'd like aftertouch.

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Graham,

Yes, you can do this, but you will not have access to the main screen unless you press exit. And, the main screen is the only one that permits you to see what combinatiuons you have selected from the other screens. There have been times when I scrolled halfway through the 460 song MFD, selected a song, began playing it, then figured I would use the next song on the MFD after I pulled a couple from registrations. Of course you cannot access the registrations directory through anything other than the main screen, therefore, you'll have to scroll through the music finder while performing the next song. As I said earlier, just another dumb design flaw by folks who are great engineers--not performing musicians and entertainers. This would be a great post for Steve Demmning to forward to the engineering department.

Cheers,

Gary

have any of you found any other faults on the 3000,iv,e found one,,,if you put all voices (left,R1,R2)on piano the first octave up from middle C,you will notice that some notes don,t sound right,,,any other faults come to light maybe if we list others there maybe an update,mike

Mike, you're TRIPLE striking each note that way. You're bound to get some anomolies if you do that.....and WHY would you?

This is not a fault. This a bad voice combination. There are many combinations that don't sound good together. If you don't like the way it sounds when you do that, stop doing it.

But keep the ideas coming.

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hi guys, i only got my 3000 3 days ago and as you do ,you experiment,i had my psr for 2 and a half years and last week i found it had an on/off switch,ha ha only joking,mike

Mike,

You need to hop on a plane, head across the Atantic and join the fun at Bossier City in January. I understand that there will be a 3000 waiting there.

Gary

I know my suggestions won't be very popular as they don't address a mass market, but as a 3k user that is not able to see the screen, I would like to see more dedicated buttons. The functions mentioned in the first post in this thread are great suggestions as a starter. The more dedicated buttons there are the less one has to depend on the screen to get something done. I have to admit that my 3k is better than most I have tried in the accessibility department, there is certainly room for improvement. Of course the ultimate would be an available voice guided menu system that could be toggled on or off of course, but I know that will probably never happen. It certainly isn't impossible however as this is currently happening with cell phones, so the technology is there, and companies like Toshiba, Audiovox, and LG are doing it on some of the models without breaking their piggy banks.

Although this probably won't happen, there are other things Yamaha can do to help make their keyboards more accessible. A little audible feedback would be a good start for settings that can be toggled on and off. As an example, I have a Sony digital recorder that beeps once when an option is toggled on, and twice when it is toggled off. This is just one example, but I am sure there could be more if Yamaha could possible consider have a focus group or something to come up with suggestions that would be useful and not terribly difficult or expensive to incorperate.

I know the bottom line for any company is making money, but you would be amazed how often things that are implimented as an aid to a group with special needs winds up being tremendously useful to the rest of the population.

Not on anyone's priority list I am sure, but that would be my wish list.

Rick Alfaro

We'll have at LEAST a PSR3000, 2000, Tyros, and Ketron XD3.
P.S. for the guys up North--
It as 61 degrees F today!
DonM

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