Exactly right-I used to change at least once a year, but that was before I had two teenagers in school! Still, if you change while the current keyboard is still worth something it helps a lot. You can depreciate a keyboard in one year now.
Also the higher-end users tend to circulate some of our keyboards amoung ourselves and this can be economical for all concerned.
I have either bought or sold keyboards with five or six of the forum members.
Only problem I ever had was forgetting to enclose a power cord with the PA80. I sent it separately and it got lost or delayed so I bought another and sent it too.
DonM

While I agree generally about the boards or whatever instrument does not IMMEDIATELY give one better chops.....

Two things, what one does play sounds better, and the second is the better the gear and better sound it has inspires me to become a better player, because I am getting more satisfying results at any given time.

If one has junk stuff, I think it produces junk results and disheartens one from really getting behind it.

When I pick up one of my guitars and play it, they just make my socks roll up and down and inspire mne to kkep playing and ideas come to me etc....

So I sort of agree and disagree, I think better instruments may not immediately make one better but ultimately they do, because of the inspiration to practice more I suppose.
Terry

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Ok, good points all. Some people DO want to have the newest and the best, and there is nothing wrong with that. There are others who may want it, but for some of us who may be cutting it a little tight, there are other things that take priority.. mortgages, bills, car payments, kids schooling... etc.

frankieve, I spent many years trying to hone my chops, and I still want better, and I'm a firm believer that if you can't play, you can't play.. no board can hide that in every situation one might encounter. It takes work and dedication. Hooray for the retailers, but someone still has to prioritize and pay my bills. The retailer isn't gonna do it, and neither will Korg or Yamaha. Is a PA1x better than my PA80 ? Probably is. DO I NEED one to play better than I do now ? Nope..

I agree with Don's assessment, because my PA80 is now a previous model and worth less. The down side is that if I sell the board before the new model comes out, do without for a time, and then if the next model is a disappointment to me, I may not realize it ahead of time because I've pretty much bought it on blind faith without giving it a good workout. A perfect example: If I had bought the PA80 early, with all of the features that were missing when it was first released, it wouldn't have lasted a week here. Still, Don's way is the best way to recoup the most funds.

I see your point Terry, but.... realize also that I'm talking mostly about going from let's say a PA80 to a PA1x or a 9000 pro to a Tyros. I'm not comparing a $500 keyboard or a 10 year old flagship vs a Tyros or a PA1x. Before the PA1x and the Tyros, the previous models were the flagships. If those couldn't inspire someone to play or want to get better, neither will their replacements. Are the new models better ? I'm sure they are, but not to the point that it should really affect my playing .. right ?

I'll gladly take a PSR2000 or even a 740, cheap key feel and all, and play it along side someone with a PA1x who doesn't know how to play, and I think I know who is going to come out sounding better in the end, assuming of course that we both don't just turn the arrangers on and play nothing to go with it.


AJ

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Well, I want facts, no words.
Too much words about new Roland, but ...
What do you know about this new Roland that too much people speak but nobody have seen?
any notice about it?

Alright I agree that you could put a poor keyboard player at a PA-X and then put a talented keyboard player on a Casio and the casio will sound better.

Everyone is talking about a new top of the range arranger from Roland. it will happen.

I believe if we'd all put as much of our energy & time into practicing and perfecting our arranger keyboard playing skills, as we currently devote to debating and searching for our next new keyboard of our dreams, we'd all sound a lot better on our current keyboards than we could if we just simply traded it in for next years model, and save a lot of $ in the process too. Ok, if I can just get my hands on a Korg PA1Xpro now. - Scott

I think the newer cooler keyboards get all the hot chicks too!!!

Please make KB's BLACK again!!!

AJ
I really do not disagree at all in your final assessment Chet Atkins would have sounded great and did on any axe, because he had the chops. The overall though sounded better on better guitars and enhanced his performance and the sound that reaches the ears.

No doubt about it though there is NO substitution for being a skilled player and the finest instruments in the world will not cover up poor technical skills. The skills that one has though sounds better on better insturments as far as overall sound presentation, is really what I am eluding to.

Now if we are talking relatively the same quality of instrument then you are totally correct I think.
Terry

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One night, back when I owned a nightclub, I had a young guy play guitar and sing on Monday nights. He was pretty good, but his guitar wasn't very good-an old acoustic with a pickup. The strings were pretty high as the neck was beginning to warp.
One night James Burton came in, and the only guitar around was-you guessed it, the old acoustic with warped neck. Well, you wouldn't believe how he made that old guitar sound. And he ever complained about it, as I had warned him ahead of time about how bad it was. When he finished, though, he said it was the first time in 35 years that he had sore fingers!
Of course after that I always kept a top-of-the-line Yamaha electric for James to play when he came in. He was the only person who ever played it until I got out of the club business. He DID sound even better on it of course.
DonM