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#112118 - 10/05/07 05:50 PM Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ChicoBrasil Offline
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Hello all
I've been using those kdbs for more than a year, and I got some conclusions about them.
I'll start by saying my opinion about the pros and cons of each kdb.

3000:

Pros:
Good voices with emphasis on pianos, eletric pianos, strings, flutes and wood winds, sax and some accordions. I dont like the sinth & fx voices. The most part of the voices are well equalized, with proper level of volume.
Another good point are the styles. Well constructed and suitable to my repertoire.
Menu: pretty easy navegation!
Style control: well placed buttons and easy to opperate.
Memory control: perfect.
Multi pad: very usefull for who knows how to create according their necessities.
Microfone input.
Style Creator: very easy to use
Fade in, out button.

cons:

Lack of a second input for mic.
Vocal harmony: not suitable for profi use.
Lack of harmonizer and sustain buttons.
Difficult visualization of the screen in very ligthed places.
Smart media slot: unnecessary
Lack of bass inversion button


ROLAND E50

Pros:

Some excellent voices with emphasis on organs, accordions, vocals (scat voices are awesome!), sax and sinth voices.
Styles: few innovations. It makes me feel like playing my old G800. Otherwise something is usefull: Live band, Jazz and Latin banks.
Usefull bass inversion button.
Very interesting cover and Style Makeup Tools( To modificate styles and arrangements).
Usefull Easy Setting Buttons.
Screen: visible in any place, with any luminosity.
Lighted buttons, easy to opperate.
Very usefull balance knob (acc x kbd).

Cons:

Kbd touch: Although roland's fame, the kbd is hard to use with some voices as sax for example. For the first time, I had difficulties playing a Roland.
Menu: a bit confused and user program as well.
Intelligence Melody (harmonizer): not suitable to second (layer) voice.
Lack of fading in out button.
Lack of dedicated buttons for intros, fills and endings.
Transpose button: hard to use
Octave change via menu.
Storage system: slow and confusing

Finally I'll say that I like both of them, but if I had to choose one, I would prefer the 3000.

cheers
Chico

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#112119 - 10/06/07 03:55 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Great review of both keyboards, Chico, and pretty well right on the money.

I agree wholeheartedly on the lack of an ON BASS panel button on the PSR-3000(also absent on the S900)...I get around it by assigning a foot-switch to that function, or storing the ON BASS and key split under a panel registration.

Thanks for the assessment.

Ian
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#112120 - 10/06/07 05:29 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
andre159 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/07
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Loc: slovakia
Great work ChicoBrasil!!

But you have there one mistake. You wrote in roland e-50 cons "Lack of fading in out button." You can call this function(and many other functions) with V-Link button. But firstly of course you have to setup it in menu...

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#112121 - 10/06/07 10:52 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
Posts: 3106
Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Thank you Chico for answering my question from the other post.

I am wondering if the sound quality is about the same on both in general and also specifically for the piano.

Thanx again

Scott

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#112122 - 10/08/07 12:52 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
Burkels Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by ChicoBrasil:
Lack of fading in out button.
Lack of dedicated buttons for intros, fills and endings.
Transpose button: hard to use
Octave change via menu.
Storage system: slow and confusing


Huh?! Are you sure you tested the E-50? No dedicated buttons for INTRO, FILLS and ENDINGS? What do you suppose are the buttons INTRO, ENDING/RIT and the 1-2-3-4 variation-buttons for?

Fade in/Fade out: As of OS v.1.08, you can program the VLink button to tons of different functions, including Fade in/Fade out.

Transpose hard to use? Press it and the display will present you a keyboard where you simply press the desired key you want to transpose to... How much easier should it be? It can't ever be a "one button solution", since the E-50 will never know where you want to transpose to. It will always take 2 'clicks' at least.

Unlike you, I would never prefer the 3000 over the E-50. Not so much because what you wrote about it, but only because of the difference in sound. Roland feels "live", Yamaha feels like "over-produced CD-recording". Mind you, that is just MY opinion. :-)
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#112123 - 10/08/07 05:17 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
Scott Langholff Offline
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Registered: 06/09/02
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Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
Are you able to mute style parts as easily as the 3000 on the fly?

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#112124 - 10/08/07 05:30 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10592
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Burkels:

Transpose hard to use? Press it and the display will present you a keyboard where you simply press the desired key you want to transpose to... How much easier should it be? It can't ever be a "one button solution", since the E-50 will never know where you want to transpose to. It will always take 2 'clicks' at least.


Mmmmm...the last time I looked, the 3k had dedicated transpose buttons on the panel for up(+)and down(-)...ONE press...you're up/down a key...much easier to do on the fly, unlike the E-50 which is harder to manage, having to use TWO clicks.

BIG difference when you're in the middle of a tune and want to transpose without fuss or muss.

Ian
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#112125 - 10/08/07 06:49 AM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ChicoBrasil Offline
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Registered: 06/09/01
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Burk

I am not Yamaha or Roland endorser.
I just wrote my impressions about 2 kbds that I bought and own for more than one year, answering a Scoot question.
All my comments are I M O.
If you want to start a fight about this issue, you don't know me.
I am not a member that like to discuss about personnal tastes.

Andre
I was refering about dedicated buttons.

Ian
Tks for reply.

Scott

About pianos, my choice is always Yamaha (Grand piano on right 1 and Gary piano on right 2).
On the whole I prefer Yamie voices.


Cheers
Chico

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#112126 - 10/08/07 02:08 PM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
Burkels Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 319
Loc: Alkmaar, The Netherlands, Euro...
Quote:
Originally posted by ChicoBrasil:
Burk

I am not Yamaha or Roland endorser.
I just wrote my impressions about 2 kbds that I bought and own for more than one year, answering a Scoot question.
All my comments are I M O.
If you want to start a fight about this issue, you don't know me.
I am not a member that like to discuss about personnal tastes.


This is not about personal taste. I'm just saying your claims are not true. You can't find INTRO, ENDING, VAR 1-2-3-4, obviously. Nothing about taste. You don't know you can program VLINK to do FADE IN/OUT (among tons of other things) If you put that VLINK FADE function in your default settings, you'll have your dedicated button. Should you need it to have another function in a certain song: program it to your liking and save it in the UPG. That way you can use that single button for a different function in every other song. Awesome.

Again: not a matter of taste, more a lack of knowledge of the features of the instrument. If you write a review, at least make sure you got the FACTS right. Otherwise your review will be (at least for the facts part) useless to others.

Again: personal taste has got nothing to do with this. Your remark about "starting a fight" is hilarious by the way. Nobody is fighting. I'm only questioning your review. If you can't handle that, don't write them.

[This message has been edited by Burkels (edited 10-08-2007).]
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#112127 - 10/08/07 02:25 PM Re: Psr 3000, Roland E50 face to face
ChicoBrasil Offline
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Burkels

I wrote about DEDICATED BUTTONS for Intro 1, 2,3, breaks and Endings 1, 2, 3.
I wrote about dedicated button for Fade in out.
Can you understand me ?
I don't want discuss about multi function buttons.
If you don't like my comments, it's easy : forget it.

[This message has been edited by ChicoBrasil (edited 10-08-2007).]

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