I can hardly believe this myself, but I've now got my Tyros2 sounding really good (at least to my ears) going out Tyros2's single 1/4" L/L+R output jack to a single PA mono speaker.

When I owned a Yamaha PSR2000, and then a Tyros1, I had performed numerous listening tests to confirm that 'stereo phase cancellation' severely compromised stereo voices when mixed to mono on output. This resulted in a very unpleasant tinny harsh sound, especially with Yamaha's 'stereo sampled' Grand Piano voice. Until now, I had assumed Tyros2 would yield the same result , so never bothered to test it again when I upgraded to Tyros2.

The other day, I received a collection of new Tyros2 custom piano voices from a friend to check out, so on a fluke, decided to see how they would sound going out mono to a single PA speaker (EV SxA100). Though most of the custom piano voices sounded lackluster, a couple of them sounded quite impressive (albeit mono), with full presence and body. I then selected the Tyros2 preset stereo sampled "Grand Piano" voice directly from the T2's Piano Voice Bank button. Though not as impressive as the new custom voice I had previously auditioned, it still sounded fairly decent, but dry (lacking reverb efx). Once I spiced it up with reverb, chorus, and a little DSP (Plate1) even the stereo sample "Grand Piano" sounds pleasant going out mono. Interestingly enough, I remember performing this SAME test on my PSR2000's & Tyros1's "Grand Piano" voice, but only got bad results. I'm convinced now that Yamaha may have now (on Tyros2) modified it's stereo sampled effects circuitry to perhaps eliminate (or reduce) the effects of phase cancellation when going out mono. Though I continue to appreciate going out stereo, especially for larger venues which benefit from the wider disperation of sound 2 speakers provide, for small to mid-sized rooms where 1 speaker will suffice, the big advantage of quicker transport and setup time is appreciated, with the audience continuing to hear an impressive sound without the stereo to mono problems I once experienced.

On top of this, my one only obstacle I had with going to a Bose PAS (except for coming up with the cash to buy one) has now been eliminated, so when I upgrade my PA system, I'm definitely going to seriously consider the Bose PAS system now. For now though, my ol EV SxA100 PA system (with option of utilizing one or two speakers) continues to do the job. In addition, with the option of my ultra portable lightweight Yamaha TRS-MS02 subwoofer with Bose 161's which snap mount atop the Tyros2 alone for the smallest venues, and/or in conjunction with one or both of my EV Sxa100 speakers, I've now got all my gig venue options covered for now.

Ok gang. Anyone interested in purchasing my Motion Sound KB100S ? Make an offer. All half way reasonable offers accepted.

Scott

I told you so. I'm always right. And I'm very humble about it.

DonM

and I love you for that. - Scott

Hi Scott

Interesting find. I am wondering if any of these piano sample can be made available so we could test it out with our speaker systems.

Awhile back I experimented a bit with this on the T2 and found a few sounds that seemed rather good and then I tucked them away.

I wonder if Simon from SVP or someone like that would consider having a spot where people could upload this stuff. I'd make mine available.

Best
Scott
http://ScottLMusic.com

I didn't notice if you A/B'd those mono samples used both with one speaker and then with both speakers and what you experienced.

DonM

Curious now, did you need to tweak your piano to sound good on the Bose?

Scott nice going there. I'm sure many on SZ will appreciate your findings, especially if you can still get a good sound from the T2 going into 1 speaker. Hope one of the piano sounds was that Triton emulation lol

I haven't tweaked anything and the T2 sounds great through the Bose. HankB and I set up the Bose and two Barbettas side-by-side and switched back and forth between the two systems, trying pianos, organs, guitars, etc.
The Bose sounded far better. Case closed for me.
I'm not saying the edited sounds won't sound even better though, and I intend to try them when I get time.
DonM

I actually used your custom voice: "DRY GRAND" and simply added Reverb (Hall2: 40), Chorus (Chorus6: 6), and DSP (Plate1:40), and resaved the voice: "Scott's Grand".

I played a small neighborhood block party yesterday thru only one EV (SxA100+) speaker, & the crowd commented how terrific the music sounded. Plenty of acoustic piano punch, rich presence & full volume. My long time beef about Yamaha keyboards & stereo phase cancellation has finally been resolved with Tyros2. I appreciate my Tyros2 more than ever now because I now have IMPRESSIVE sounding: stereo & mono output options.



Hi ScottL: I'll send you my custom voice (Scott's Grand) and you can try it out yourself on your T2.

Scott

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Very good new indeed Scott. As I generaly try and keep it as simple (and lightweight) as possible when I take on a music job, this comes as great news. I dont like taking more equipment than I have to. I have always been a little disappointed when going mono. I look forward to trying the Tyros 2 in a mono application.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

Glad I'm of some use on here then Scott lmao, well my voices ;}
Hope Scott L likes the piano, with your edited reverb and chorus settings.
If we can make the T2 even better than it already is, it's all good stuff.

Craig, your voice editing talent as well as generousity in sharing them, is greatly appreciated. I suspect if I hadn't received your custom piano voices, I may never have ever bothered to test the T2 piano samples going out stereo & mono as I did, and still be continuing to drag around two (2) PA speakers to every gig.

The Bose PAS or Electro Voice SxA360's now HEAD the top of my 'next PA' to upgade to list. - Scott

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Orrr thanks for the kind words Scott, you've made me feel embarrassed now hehe

Made a discovery by accident the other day. I was playing around on the Tyros 2 for some company, thought it sounded fine, I was using a lot of piano, but the Smooth Tine sounded funny. So I turned it off and on a few times and reset it. Didn't change it. I thought it had something to do with me experimenting with midi bass pedals and thought I just screwed up some setting or that I had a glich going.

Come to find out, one of the speakers somehow got unplugged and I was playing in mono out of one speaker coming out of L/L&R and didn't know it.

I had been experimenting making my own custom piano sounds and they sounded fine. But the Smooth Tine, which to me is a very beautiful voice and one I like to use is absolutely unusable as is.

It'd be interesting to see how it sounds through a Bose L1 going into channels 3 & 4, I believe are supposed to be the better sounding for a stereo effect. I imagine that would clear up the sound for the Smooth Tine.

Scott

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ScottL: I believe the reason the piano voices sound fine, yet the specific Tyros2 preset voice: "Smooth Tine" sounds bad is because (unlike most other T2 stereo & mono voices) it incorporates in the sample itself, an UNUSUAL 'special phase efx' to cause the sound (voice) to rapidly & continously pan back & forth between the extreme left and right channels. I seriously doubt going out mono, even thru the Bose L1 will (compared to a regular mono speaker) improve the sound much, but I'm of course anxious for DonM or another Tyros2 owner to report back their finding of how Tyros2's E.Piano family voice: "Smooth Tine" heard thru the Bose L1 compares to heard thru traditional stereo speakers or stereo headphones. - Scott

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