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#106909 - 12/15/06 05:19 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
lahawk Offline
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Registered: 06/28/01
Posts: 2781
Loc: Lehigh Valley, Pa.
Great Review George,

Can the SD5 really be an 'arranger' keyboard when quote... "Sequencer, again only a one track song record. This is not a board for someone who wants to do multitrack recording on the keyboard".

Other then that, the SD5 sounds incredible.
Now to find a place, close by, to try it out...maybe Guitar World?

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#106910 - 12/15/06 05:58 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by rikkisbears:
Hi George,
thanks for the great reveiw. Unfortunately my SD1+ is only 1 year old, I think I'd have a divorce on my hands if I wanted to replace this early in the piece ( haa haa)


best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by George Kaye:
[B]


George thanks for the review, as always I think you shoot straight from the gut in your comments. After reading your review about the PA800 you created lots of interest on my part and your unbiased review of the SD 5 got me interested in that as well. Too bad there isn't enough money hanging on the tree in my backyard. Just doesn't seem to grow fast enough. I'm with Rikkisbears, after spending almost $7500 bucks on equipment in 2005 and another thousand this year, I'd have to be prepared for the divorce.

Rikki I know a good divorce lawyer



[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 12-15-2006).]

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#106911 - 12/15/06 06:01 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
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Loc: Reseda, California USA
Larry,
An arranger keyboard is one with styles and sounds. In actuall musical terms, you are correct.
An Arranger is someone who takes a song and creates individual parts for several musicians to play in a band. The term arranger in keyboards is having the ability to play this keyboard with 1 or more fingers. What you are playing is a simple or complex arrangement with very few fingers.
A workstation keyboard is one with a multitrack sequencer and you create an arrangement after you've recorded these tracks.
The SD5 has all these styles which you play with 1 or more fingers and thus is defined as an arranger keyboard.
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#106912 - 12/15/06 06:16 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Rikki, maybe you and Steven can get together after your divorces. The family that "plays" together stays together!
:}
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#106913 - 12/15/06 06:18 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15556
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Please don't get me wrong, I enjoy George's reviews, and respect him as a reputable seller, but bear that in mind when you read him. He is trying to sell the things..... so you often have to look very hard at his writing (and in between the lines!) to garner the REAL truth.

Diki,

Are you out of your mind? George has always been straight-forward and unbiased with every review he has posted about any keyboard. He is honest, caring, and has vast knowledge of all the keyboards he sells, and he spends a great deal of time researching the information he posts. If you want to take pot-shots at someone please do it on another forum.

Gary

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#106914 - 12/15/06 06:25 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3583
Loc: Middletown, DE
The SD5 does have a sequencer on board (just not a 16 tracks one with thorough editing capabilities).

You can ...

A. Use the Arranger (pre-record sequences or your own recorded in C) which already uses 8 tracks plus 1-4 more for lead so a total of 12 tracks...in this case, you would have to play as you record...

OR

B. Use the Arranger alone (with chord variation recorded within) and record up to 32 measures per variation of the various song parts. When completed, compile in real-time ... however the final recording process to disk is only once while the arranger recording process into memory is open to 8 tracks per arrangement!!

Hope this helps.

Thanks,

AJ
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#106915 - 12/15/06 08:15 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
Graham UK Offline
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Registered: 01/20/01
Posts: 1925
Loc: Lincolnshire UK
George. We have a few good dealers like yourself in the UK.
Don't get upset with the occasional remark about your credibility and no need to excuse the fact that you are in business and invoices have to be paid.
I have been visiting this forum daily for some years now and you George do a fine job reporting back your product finding. Your reviews are very much appreciated by 99.9% of us.

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#106916 - 12/15/06 08:21 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
Rikki, maybe you and Steven can get together after your divorces. The family that "plays" together stays together!
:}
DonM


Hehehe

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#106917 - 12/15/06 08:24 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2204
Loc: Louisiana, USA
I enjoy your reviews very much, George. I've never found you anything other than helpful and you seem to tell it like it is. It's not like you're tooting the horn for one brand... you sell several brands and models. Keep 'em coming!

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#106918 - 12/15/06 09:40 AM Re: Ketron SD5 First Impression!
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14182
Loc: NW Florida
Look, everybody, I DID say, in my earlier post, that I enjoyed George's reviews, and respected him as a VERY reputable dealer. I am not taking 'potshots'.

But..... you have to understand the difference between a review from a dealer, and a review from a buyer. Firstly, George's status as a dealer of Ketron, or any other arranger line he sells, is going to suffer if he slams the product online. Just think what your opinion would be of an employee (or associate) of YOUR business if he started slamming YOU online.....

So George has to be careful about how he phrases less than stellar aspects of a product he handles. We, as buyers do not have this constraint, so often our reviews and initial comments may concentrate on things that we don't like, and broadcast them as a warning to other buyers. George does a wonderful job of describing the positive aspects of the SD-5, with it's strong points to the fore, but when he talks about something that is less than stellar, he is obliged to use language that is more circumspect.

Hence, while on the other thread, he initially talks about guitar sounds that 'won't turn any heads', in his review here he goes;

Quote:
Originally posted by George Kaye:
If you loved the SD1 sounds, you surely will love the SD5. Unlike Yamaha, Roland and Korg, Ketron doesn't use all the velocity levels to add in the "extra" sounds you hear when you play the acoustic guitars and other sounds in the other brands in their most recent models. This is not to say the sounds aren't top notch, they just don't behave in the same manner. For example, if you play the user program called "nylon guitar", if you hit the octave up key and play high up on the keyboard you will hear squeeks and fret noise like on a real guitar. But, this is not like playing in the middle of say the Yamaha or Korg PA800 and playing harder and softer you are creating the realistic sounds of a guitar. Nobody can add the squeeks and buzzes with two hands playing the guitar. However, in the styles, Ketron is producing these sounds because I'm sure they used a computer and were able to multi track record all these nuances into their style arranger.
It's much like when Yamaha released the Tyros keyboard and gave us mega voices which were too hard to play but oh they really gave you great realistic styles.
But, the sounds are really good. Those that love Ketron Saxs, Strings, Accordions, Brass, etc. will surely love this board.


So a slightly different 'spin' than they won't turn heads.....

Now, once again, let me remind you that I respect George, value his reviews, and have nothing but the utmost respect for his professionalism and the kindness he shows our members here at SZ.

But I realize the constraints he is under, and respect those, but merely, in my earlier post, tried to direct our members attention to a less than glowing statement he had earlier made, which he didn't, for obvious reasons, include in his main review. That is all...... it was NOT a 'potshot'..... My apologies, George, if you took it that way.
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