World Launch of Tyros 2 is October 1st 2005
This is from a reliable source.

Hey, any pics or specs?

Really? You mean it won't show up at summer NAMM in Indianapolis, IN first? I find that to be an illogical move on Yamaha's part in my opinion.. Although maybe not since Yamaha just announced the release of the S90 ES without much ado or fanfare, but I'm guessing the S90 ES will show up at summer NAMM.

Possibly they don't want to make too big of a splash with the Tyros 2 because of the notoriety (ill fame) that may follow? ....Give it a quiet launch and (hopefully ) nobody will notice type of thing?

Maybe they're further behind schedule than anticipated and couldn't squeeze it in at summer NAMM? Perhaps they're too busy making design changes and adding a 76 key version that announcing it at NAMM was out of the question?

I don't mind one bit as long as they make a 76 key version and correct those design flaws.. They can wait until the cows come in for all I care.

Give us a quality "good looking" solidly built, great sounding, full featured cutting edge Keyboard and give us a 76 key (full sized keys would be nice too ) version and we'll ALL be happy!!!

Give us the B2 bomber look and only in 61 keys and I'm afraid you've lost half of your potential market, and the revenue that goes along with it unfortunately.

Oh well such is life in the big city I guess.

We can shout and plead and beg and try to convince but in the end the big wigs in Hamamatsu, Japan do what they want regardless.

It's a real pity. But it seems to be true to a great extent.

Maybe that's why they (the Japanese) entered the War?

Could it be because they wouldn't listen to reason? In other words because of their unyeilding defiance to all logical persuasion to the contrary? And with unfortunate consequences as we all know.

I realize the current generation cannot be held responsible for the mis-deeds of their descendants but stubbornness and hardheadedness is stubbornness and hardheadedness no matter how you look at it - and irrespective of generation.

So what I'm trying to say is: Yamaha listen to your customers. Bend and ear and hear what people want from you in the way of your musical products. Don't continue in the "My way or no way" mentality. Give your customers (and potential) customers a say in the process and then institute those things.

We will be happy and no doubt you will be also with the increased revenue and repeat customers you will gain.

Best regards,
Mike

PS: Sorry for the veering slightly off topic but I needed to get that off my chest - again.




[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 07-03-2005).]

If you are expecting Yamaha to offer anything cutting edge you will be waiting a long, long, long time. Large manufacturers such as Yamaha, Roland, and Korg would never offer a keyboard with all the features that you want or expect because that would be very bad for their business. If they did do that then you'd buy their new keyboard and it would take another 5 years or so before technology would advance far enough for you to ever consider buying a different instrument. This means you'd no longer be in the market for a new instrument which equals less revenue to the manufacturer and that simply isn't going to happen.

I see many people post on the BBS that if manufacturer "Y", "K", "R", or "Z" offered an arranger that had 76 keys, Gigabytes of RAM, lots of sounds, real time editing features and controls, tons of outputs, and future expandability they'd definitely pay more and buy it but that isn't true. People want the world but most often they want it at a bottom line price and technology that is at the forefront is never cheap. Perhaps if the keyboard costs an additional $200.00 or $400.00 maybe then you'd buy it, but if it were an additional $2,000.00 or $4,000.00 would you buy it? ... Probably not. If this were true then you'd see more manufacturers marketing ultra high end instruments because the customers would be there to buy them. Business is business and if a large enough market existed for these types of products, companies like Yamaha and Roland would make them.

The fact is there are keyboards available today such as the Wersi Abacus, Wersi Ikarus, and the Lionstracs Mediastation X-76 that have Open Architecture systems that will do most anything users want of them. These keyboards offer huge amounts of RAM for sounds and styles with nearly unlimited upgrade possibilities, large color TFT screens, more outputs and real time features than any current arranger, and yet few people own them. Is this because of bad marketing and limited distribution? Not really. Its because there aren't many buyers who would spend $4,000, $6,000, or $10,000+ or more on a musical instrument. Sure you say that you would but ask yourself ... when's the last time you paid over $6,000 for a musical instrument let alone $10,000? I'd guess fewer than a handful or so of Synthzone members could answer yes to this question.

Until the time comes when we are willing to put our money where our mouth is, manufacturers will continue to offer low to mid priced, rehashed, reworked instruments that use outdated technology put inside a fancy new box that offers relatively nothing new. Until then only a few small manufacturers such as Wersi and Lionstracs will tow the line hoping to sell enough of their cutting edge instruments so that they can continue to offer what is at the forefront of technology.

61 keys again?
HUGH Size?
no speakers?
no second mic input?
no improved Vocalizer?
no seperate SMF vs Arranger mode...?
no improved display screen for outdoor use?

what are the main internal feature changes/improvements VS Tyros I ?

The answer is completely within our own hands.....Just don't buy it until they provide what is required.

This is my last "Hurrah" with Yamaha arrangers if they do NOT offer a 76 key High End Arranger.

I think the world of the current Tyros and I also think it a huge blunder if they do not offer the 2nd generation Tyros with 76 keys and an upgraded keybed. They have a great product and making it better with added keys, sounds, and a few upgrades would make put it over the top for myself and many others.

I'm really tired and getting broke trying to purchase equipment to see if it's right for me. Quite frankly, I would keep my Tyros and not upgrade it for a few more years if only it had 76 keys.

I would love to see sales figures of all the keyboard models broken down between high end/low end, 76 key/61 key, etc. Is it really a market killer to offer a high end arranger in 76 keys? How are the Korg Paxpro1,the Roland G70, and other 76 key arrangers selling? Roland made the comittment to 76 keys what did they base thier decision on?

Oh, and did I mention I want 76 keys on the next Tyros!! :-)

Tyros module Tyros module Tyros module.

I know you can do it Yamaha!!!!

In addition to some one getting the new Tyros, they may even want to get the Tyros module for times when they may have to go on the road.

I don't know why I feel that this may be your last true hardware arranger yamaha. Why not have a module for the new tyros in order to complete the Tyros line? And keep your loyal customers and get more customers.

[This message has been edited by to the genesys (edited 07-03-2005).]

From a "reliable" source on the Yamaha Style forum:

Yes i can 100% say that Tyros 2 Is going to be released to the public in November this year. It will be previewed to the trade september/october.

Don't hold your breath for PSR3***, it will be at least 12 months AFTER the Tyros II release before this happens, so expect it to be 2007 by then

There were two pictures on the 'net', both correct. One showed martin harris (The head of RnD Content at japan) playing the new machine... Expect HDD, Poss MP3, and MegaVoiced Brass/Woodwind as well as Super articulation... and a price point of around 3k pounds.

It'd also be unlikely that you'd want to convert the styles of tyros II either, mainly due to the extra technology that it will employ... ie, it'd sound crap

I've also been reliably informed that whereas Tyros 1 was 3 times the power of PSR9000 Pro, so Tyros 2 will be 10 times the power of Tyros 1...

cheers

I still say a good user friendly module would solve the 61, 76, 88 note issue. It would also solve the key size and touch issue. Even though I prefer the touch of the Tyros now, this would sure seem to solve the issues for others here don't you think?

This is of course if they didn't build it like the Midjay with tiny buttons and a difficult OS to get around with on the fly.

Anyway, this is exactly why I am investigating the soft synth scene. It still seems to be a pretty new field, but I feel if a few people are already successfully using this technology, then, to me it is very likely that I can use it also, once I get through the initial set up problems and new leaning curve. I look back to when I got the PSR2000. That kb took me really a long time to get used to doing a lot of the functions it could do, so I suspect the soft synth will be no differnt.

Scott Langholff

So the unit will look not much different than the B2 pic, right? Hmmmm....



[This message has been edited by VegaVagga (edited 07-04-2005).]

Can you post a link to that forum? I'd love to check it out. Thx.

I'M AN OWNER OF AN YAMAHA ARRANGER AND AN OLD KORG i5s. I don't know about you guys, but I do prefer Korg arrangers over those of Yamaha. Since the unveiling of the new Korg PA1X series, both come in 61 and 76 keys, one with integrated speaker system, the other one pro version without speakers, I've had the chance of playing with one and recording it in my home studio. I gotta tell you Korg has surpassed Yamaha by doing an excellent job designing not only the hardware itself, but the software and the sounds coming from their arrangers. The drum samples can actually fool you by thinking someone is actually playing a live acoustic drum. The features surpass those of the Tyros. The bass guitar samples do not sound as if they are being looped at all over and over. All in all, Korg engineers have done a super job in sampling their instruments note by note into their machines and fine-tuning those samples by sand-papering them to give you that realistic experience as if you're listening to a live band playing. The PA1X series incorporates such RX (REAL EXPERIENCE) technology, as called Mega Voices in the Yamaha Tyros, that can ultimately take your breath away!! Currently I own a PSR9000, which after playing with the PA1X starts to sound more like a toy to me than an arranger. I gotta confess though that the Tyros boasts a handsome hardware design. I like the flip-up screen, the light-up neon buttons, but the sounds do not impress me at all. The PA1X offers optional CD-R/RW drive and boasts a touch-sensitive screen as well as an XLR input and a choice of FX expansion to include the famous Antares auto-tune and mic modeling technology and a herd of other FX. This is almost a Triton Studio in an arranger keyboard!! I'm hoping in the future they'll come out with a cutting edge keyboard which can perform as both an arranger and a pro syth workstation such as the new Korg Oasys. Do you think they will ever employ this type of wishful thinking? Because if they ever do, I'm hoping they'll build one in my lifetime. I say build such machine and make sure you incorporate a 24-track recording workstation, built right on board!! AHAHAHA!!

Uh, Scott, that pic totally screws up this thread, making it a PITA to read. Can you resize it? Thanks.


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Me Bill
Yamaha PSR2000

Bill

If anyone is using Firefox, rather than Internet Explorer, as their web browser, there is an easy fix to this problem. Firefox has an extension call Zoom Image. It allows you to zoom any web image in or out. All you have to do is right click on that picture above, then choose zoom out. This shrinks the picture down and all the text in all the posts fits the the way it was supposed to. You no longer have to scroll side to side to try and read the sentence. I hate having to do that.

Course, this only works if you're using Firefox.

Tom G.

EDIT: Got it! That's very cool. And so fast, it's instantaneous. I didn't realize I had to download the extension. Works like a charm! But Scott should still fix his image so others aren't burdened, haha!

[This message has been edited by SemiLiveMusic (edited 07-24-2005).]

SemiLiveMusic, I have absolutely NO control of the disply size of the image, because I wasn't the one who uploaded the Tyros2 pic to the website (photobucket.com).

I merely 'passed on' the pic's web address link, which was posted (surprisingly enough) on the Yamaha Corp USA moderated: "Arranger Workstation" Message Board Forum: http://www.arrangerworkstation.com/forum...o=&fpart=2&vc=1

I realize the Tyros2 photo may appear (yet to only some of you) on your monitors, larger than desired, causing you to have to scroll left-right to see the entire image, but felt it WORTH the minor inconvenience in order so everyone here has the opportunity to at least get to see it.

Scott