Those who have played these two instruments,can notice a real difference in terms of key-action? Does Tyros 2 have a more firm, consistent keybed than the PSR3000? Telmo.

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YES!!!! Much Better & they also put weights under the keys also. It's a pleasure to perform with ....



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I second that.
Very nice keybed.

Absolutely a difference better on the T2. Also, the 3000 does not have aftertouch.

More significance is the addition of super articulation voices in the T2.

Donny,

You might want to have a look underneath the Tyros2' keybed. There are NO weights that I'm aware of underneath the keys.

If Yamaha gave the Tyros2 weighted keys wouldn't you think they would have touted that fact and put it in their spec sheet on their web site? >>
Well.. thinking about that again maybe not since they didn't put the WAV ROM amount there either. BUT! None of the PRO reviews like Keyboard Mag, etc. said anything about weighted or semi-weighted keys on the Tyros2 did they?

There is a miniscule amount more of 'tension' on the Tyros2 keybed over the Tyros but weights...?

The Tyros2 has a nice feel and is just a little stiffer compared to the Tyros but there is hardly much difference at all over the Tyros in my opinion. Although on the other hand compared to the PSR 3000 I agree that the Tyros2 keybed is much better.

Best regards,
Mike

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The keybed on the Tyros 2 does not exist on any other Yamaha product currently in production. As stated in other posts the keybed is much better. As to being weighted...I don't think so. It does however have a different amount of tension, which allow for a slightly firmer feel to it.
All in all a great keybed to play.

Regards,
Dennis

In the full review of the Tyros 2 in Keyboard Player (issue 294) Andrew Gilbert wrote:

" ...This action now has small counterweights to give it a bit more resistance. Yamaha won't call it 'semi-weighted" so I'll invent a new term for it and (in true musical fashion) call it a demisemi-weighted action!..."

On the T2 I have here, after turning the KB over and looking under the keys I see little grey squares [weights] under the keys leading me to believe they are some kind of weights....or?
Do you own a T1 or a T2? PLease look & let us know........?
What ever it is I love it!!



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 06-09-2006).]

Hey Mike, I am the one that found the weights on Donny's Tyros 2..Just like Roland did with the XP80 and such..

Donny:

I looked under my ty2 keyboard, couldn't see good enough to tell, "But" hey I found where the rest of my tuna sandwitch went.... .....pose

weights are not located under the front of the keys in most weighted action keybeds. Its part of the mechanism that simulates the actual key feel. You are probaly seeing some sort of grey adhesive to prevent light from shining through the thin plastic. If you think about it, there would be no point in having weight at the end of the key that you strike but rather at the other end of the fulcrum to provide a simulated weighted action.

Dennis

Are you guys telling me Donny has the only Tyros2 with weighted keys...

Look under your keys..They jump right out at you..They are using the same system Roland had used for years..

Dennis..."Hog Wash"

I still believe that the majority of the difference in the feel is a better way to provide spring resistance to the keybed. Trying to duplicate a key hitting a hammer and the hammer in turn hitting strings is much different than what the tyros 2 keybed is doing. Weights...maybe. But inside the keybed mechanism not exposed under the frontend of the keys. The weights have to provide some sort of resistance to the downward pressure of your playing to achieve the simulation of striking something i.e. a hammer,string...whatever.

Dennis

As one who's owned both Tyros1 & Tyros2 and compared playing them 'side by side', I think the difference is far more than miniscule. Not only do T2's keys include noticeably more (weighted) resistance. but the key travel distance (to me) is greater as well. The T2 key & keybed unit are completely different than T1's. After playing T2 and then playing T1, the key travel distance on the T1 seems too shallow for my taste, making it more difficult to control subtle dynamics because of its shorter key travel distance. This combined with T2's studier built key bed unit means being able to better capture subtle playing dynamics (expression) overall, and of which is especially critical for capturing the impressive realism of the T2's SA (super articulation) voices.


Possibly.



I concur with Dennis. I just got home & peeked under my Tyros2 keys as well, and see absolutely NO weights at all exposed under the FRONT section of the keys, and frankly I see no advantage for weights to situated there. I believe the weights are more likely located mounted under the back of the keys to provide 'counter resistance' to the downward finger pressure exerted on the front of the keys.

Scott

HOW MUCH TROUBLE IS IT TO JUST LOOK UNDER YOUR TYROS2 KEYS?????? :EEK:

I looked...No weights.


Dennis

Just because something is glued into the place under the front end of the keys does not make it a weight. Although... in the same breath it doesn't mean it isnt a weight. It simply doesn't make sense for a weight to be on that particular end, unless you want the key to play itself or to slow down its return to OFF position.


Dennis

On all pianos –acoustic pianos—The weight is placed between the center balance point and the back of the key. If the weight were to be placed between the center and the front of the key the feel would be lighter, less resistance.

John C.
Piano Technician for the last 40 years.

Ok gang, i just re-checked the keys (this time with glasses on) and believe it or not, Donny's correct, there's indeed a thin metal (aluminum) weight of some sort glued to the bottom of the front section of each key. The function of this is not as a counter weight though, but to provide STABILITY to the front portion of the key, as without this, the thin plastic front section of the key alone would feel rather flimsy. I think perhaps there still may be 'counter weights' mounted under the mid-rear section of the keys to provide the resistance to finger pressure at the front, but of course can't substantiate that. - Scott

What ever those little metal pieces are UNDER The T2 keys that I see DO make a difference in the KEYFEEL to some degree, even if its just to add a more SOLID FEEL...maybe the term "Weighted Keys" is incorrect or should be something like "Altered Solid Key Feel" but it is surly a factor in the keybed.



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Is a Manually ADJUSTABE KEY FEEL/TENSION/& WEIGHT/
a feature we might have in the future on KB's,?