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#100847 - 06/09/06 06:09 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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weights are not located under the front of the keys in most weighted action keybeds. Its part of the mechanism that simulates the actual key feel. You are probaly seeing some sort of grey adhesive to prevent light from shining through the thin plastic. If you think about it, there would be no point in having weight at the end of the key that you strike but rather at the other end of the fulcrum to provide a simulated weighted action.

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#100848 - 06/09/06 06:14 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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Are you guys telling me Donny has the only Tyros2 with weighted keys...

Look under your keys..They jump right out at you..They are using the same system Roland had used for years..
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#100849 - 06/09/06 06:16 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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#100850 - 06/09/06 06:16 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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I still believe that the majority of the difference in the feel is a better way to provide spring resistance to the keybed. Trying to duplicate a key hitting a hammer and the hammer in turn hitting strings is much different than what the tyros 2 keybed is doing. Weights...maybe. But inside the keybed mechanism not exposed under the frontend of the keys. The weights have to provide some sort of resistance to the downward pressure of your playing to achieve the simulation of striking something i.e. a hammer,string...whatever.

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#100851 - 06/09/06 06:45 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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Originally posted by keybplayer:

There is a miniscule amount more of 'tension' on the Tyros2 keybed over the Tyros?


As one who's owned both Tyros1 & Tyros2 and compared playing them 'side by side', I think the difference is far more than miniscule. Not only do T2's keys include noticeably more (weighted) resistance. but the key travel distance (to me) is greater as well. The T2 key & keybed unit are completely different than T1's. After playing T2 and then playing T1, the key travel distance on the T1 seems too shallow for my taste, making it more difficult to control subtle dynamics because of its shorter key travel distance. This combined with T2's studier built key bed unit means being able to better capture subtle playing dynamics (expression) overall, and of which is especially critical for capturing the impressive realism of the T2's SA (super articulation) voices.

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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Are you guys telling me Donny has the only Tyros2 with weighted keys.Look under your keys..They jump right out at you.. Hogwash!

Possibly.

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Originally posted by TwoNuts:
Weights...maybe. But inside the keybed mechanism not exposed under the frontend of the keys. The weights have to provide some sort of resistance to the downward pressure of your playing to achieve the simulation of striking something


I concur with Dennis. I just got home & peeked under my Tyros2 keys as well, and see absolutely NO weights at all exposed under the FRONT section of the keys, and frankly I see no advantage for weights to situated there. I believe the weights are more likely located mounted under the back of the keys to provide 'counter resistance' to the downward finger pressure exerted on the front of the keys.

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#100852 - 06/09/06 06:47 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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HOW MUCH TROUBLE IS IT TO JUST LOOK UNDER YOUR TYROS2 KEYS?????? :EEK:

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#100853 - 06/09/06 06:49 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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I looked...No weights.


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#100854 - 06/09/06 06:53 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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Just because something is glued into the place under the front end of the keys does not make it a weight. Although... in the same breath it doesn't mean it isnt a weight. It simply doesn't make sense for a weight to be on that particular end, unless you want the key to play itself or to slow down its return to OFF position.


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#100855 - 06/09/06 06:57 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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On all pianos –acoustic pianos—The weight is placed between the center balance point and the back of the key. If the weight were to be placed between the center and the front of the key the feel would be lighter, less resistance.

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#100856 - 06/09/06 07:09 PM Re: Is the Key-feel on Tyros 2 much better than PSR3000?
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Ok gang, i just re-checked the keys (this time with glasses on) and believe it or not, Donny's correct, there's indeed a thin metal (aluminum) weight of some sort glued to the bottom of the front section of each key. The function of this is not as a counter weight though, but to provide STABILITY to the front portion of the key, as without this, the thin plastic front section of the key alone would feel rather flimsy. I think perhaps there still may be 'counter weights' mounted under the mid-rear section of the keys to provide the resistance to finger pressure at the front, but of course can't substantiate that. - Scott
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