Originally posted by rikkisbears:
Hi Walt,
I tend to think the problem is that BIAB songs sound quite good because in PG's demo's they use a lot of complicated chords & a lot of chord changes.
I too found that if I only used the more simple chords like majs , min, 7ths etc the type of chords you get in the EZ Play type of music ( which is all I'm capable of playing on my kn7) the songs sounded a bit dull wheras if I used a Fake or Buskers Book with the more complicated chords and more frequent chord changes, the song sounded better.
I do get variations crop up even when based just on the c chord.
I just keep hitting the play button.
It may have something to do with the actual styles that you tried creating from.
Maybe the BIAB style you used didn't have a lot of variations within itself. If you click the style editor in BIAB you should see a grid with a number of boxes . The more boxes, the more variety within that style.
I'm doing the following with a simple orchestral waltz I'm working on.
I chose the chord c.
I created
bar 1 (a) to 9 bars 1to8 vari 1 bar 9 fill
bar 10(b) to 18 bars 10to17vari 3 bar 18 fill
bar 19(a) to 27 bars 19to26vari 2 bar 27 fill
bar 28(b) to 36 bars 28to35vari 4 bar 36 fill
bar 37(a) to 40 Intro 1 ( create a 4 bar
bar 41(b) to 44 Intro 2 chord progression
bar 45(a) to 48 Ending 1 suitable for key
bar 49(b) to 52 Ending 2 of c)
Change to CMinor for Minor Intro & Ending
bar 53(a) to 56 Intro 1 ( create a 4 bar
bar 57(b) to 60 Intro 2 chord progression
bar 61(a) to 64 Ending 1 suitable for key
bar 65(b) to 68 Ending 2 of cm)
for the variations ie bar 1 to 8, I didn't neccesarily use the whole 8 bars for my variation. I picked the 4 bars that sounded the best, ie it could have been 1 to 4 or 2 to 6 etc
Also I used BIAB (a) for vari 1 & 2
(b) for vari 3 & 4
Unfortunately I don't think these styles will ever sound as good as our kn7 ones do but, don't forget we can mix n' match parts of our internal kn7 styles with these BIAB styles by using
Pattern Copy on Page 2 of composer
ie replace BIAB composer style part drum 1 with drum 1 from one of the internal styles.
Or make a BIAB composer style sound fuller by adding additional parts like a string part from one of the internal styles.
best wishes
Rikki
p.s.
What version do you have ( I have vers12)
Have you ever tried using the Melodyist part of BIAB.
I tried it for the first time yesterday and came up with quite a useable song
ie the program created the chord progression, picked the style & even wrote a melody for it and gave it a Title. I did a bit of minor re editing. Saved it as a midifile, loaded it into the kn7 , adjusted the instrumentation and I've got a composition ( of sorts (haahaa). BIZZARE
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Walt Meyer:
[B]Hi Rikki,
When I tried making styles (all key of C), they are 'dull'. It seems that BIAB only generates variations when it is asked to change key.
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