Ok, so I'm doing a study on the attention span of old men. Of the 30 responses to this post (including this one) 2 were right on topic (Montunoman and TonyM - both at or near the beginning of the post), 8 were vaguely related, and the rest (again, including this one) had little or nothing to do with the OP's request. Seems the longer a post continues, the more we (old men) go off-topic.

An old geezer, when asked what the secret of his 50+ year old marriage was, responded, "I don't talk and I don't listen". We certainly seem to have the second part down pretty well.

chas