Your analiogies and examples just get more and more outlandish Diki. first the Kazoo player and now flying like superman ?????

Let me ask you some very simple questions.

Can you play a keyboard Diki ? An arranger is a keyboard so if you can play a keyboard well you can play an arranger well just as abasic keyboard, no drums bass or accompamimnet right ? Can you sequence songs on a keyboard well ? I mean actually create something original one track at a time or dunp a style track into a sequencer, ar a performance track if its a motif and then edit that track to make it your own, edit the notes, velocity, quantize cut copy paste etc ? Well guess what, you can sequence full songs from the ground up on an arranger in a very similar way.

Are you any good at sound design Diki? You can design sounds on an arranger, sounds even you have not imagined yet.or do you doubt that too ?

Can you create and edit samples on a workstation ? well in arrangers like the PA range you can also do that too.

So what is left to be as creative musically as you like if not your imagination Diki ????

You act like the basic tools that most musicians who produce electronic music via a keyboard is absent on the top line arrangers. Go on you tube and watch people make music on their keyboard and tell me what they are doing different to what i have just described ? whether they do it on board a keyboard or using a computer based product.

The tools are all there just like they are on a work station. All we are talking about is different work flows to achieve the same ends.

Your last statement about Jordan shows how tunnel visioned but i would argue blind you are because of your own prejudice. Jordan does use canned music in his live sets. He spends huge amount of time programming the keyboard to produce triggered synced samples along with his live playing !! They may not be guitars or styles in the way you understand styles to be but they are preprogrammed riffs and mini sequences in a live performance.

And he also plays straight keyboard with sounds he designed either on the keyboard or off the keyboard and loadsthe samples he needs on the keyboard. Can that be done with an arranger ? How many samples do you need for a live performance ?

The PA2X can hold 256MB of Ram . The Motif XS entire sounds are held entirely on 712MB of Rom so potentially how many sounds could you carry into a live performance with a PA arranger and use it just like a straight keyboard ?

The example i posted was of Jordan using a preprogrammed spanish guitar sample looped which followed the chords he held in his left hand. it was similar to arranger style. How well could an arrager mimic a workstation in live use ?

You only see what you want to see. You see canned styles and not the keyboard and the content you could input just as Jordan did. You see limitations instead possibilities. I posted up demos of the T3 being used creatively as a workstation remixing current chart songs (current a year ago) that were probably all created on straight up workstations in the first place or computer based setups, remixed in seconds libve on an arranger .

The creative possibilities are just endless if you could see them in your imagination first.



[This message has been edited by spalding1968 (edited 09-02-2010).]