I hope my post didnt come accros as critical Rikkisbears. It wasnt my intention. I was just making the point that a lot of 'new' money is chasing the same old features sometimes repackaged and somtimes not. I know you are gonna have your PA800 for a very long time. I have the PA1X and trust me, just when you think you have squeezed all the juice from this machine you discover something new that inspires you all over again. I just found an old sample disk of drum grooves from when i bought my yammy psr8000. That instrument had a sampler on it but you could not time slice the loops. You could onlly make minor edits. I found the disk a couple of nights ago and have started to sample them through the PA1X and slice up the loops. Oh my goodness !!