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Originally posted by nardoni2002:
scott,in regards to correct chord recognition,there is a problem with chords even with a perfect board,lots of the same chords have different names, for example F6 is Dm7 ,,and C6 is Am7 ,both examples are correct but if shown up on the screen you COULD think that it could be right or wrong depending which chord was showing,mike


Hi Mike, in the case of 'F6 & Dm7' or 'C6 & Am7', these are each considered "duo function" chords, of which the chord voicings: F1-A1-C2-D2, and C1-E1-G1-A1 respectively, can be played interchangeably to function as either an F6 or C6 in 'root position' or as a '1st inversion' Dm7 or Am7 chord.

Korg's chord table recognition of the specific chord voicings I presented:

1) F1-C2-E2 : FMaj7
2) F1-B1-E2 : FMaj7b5
3) E1-A1-D2 : E7sus4
4) Eb1-A1-D2: EbMajb5
5) D1-Ab1-C2: D7b5

are an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT matter! They are simply: FLAT OUT wrong! Every chord must INCLUDE the essential 3rd of the chord, and none of the above, as interpreted by Korg, do. Since Korg ALREADY recognizes the above voicings (with the 3rd actually played), why would they need (or want) to assign the same chords to the SAME chord voicing played, but just with the 3rd left out as well? , especially when these chord voicings could be put to 'far more' PRACTICAL USE, interpreted as jazz style 'rootless' chords which many pro keyboardists ACTUALLY play. The ability to utilize these specific chord voicings as 'rootless chords' has a direct IMPACT on how professional you sound playing live jazz comping style keyboard piano in auto accompaniment mode. I play many (most)chords which include the root as well, but having the ability to expand your chord playing options (beyond plain vanilla) to also include rootless (tri-tone plus 9th or 13th) style chords, and with stacked 4ths in the right hand provides the ability (on the arranger) to produce more of a jazz piano sound: like McCoy Tyner, Wynton Kelly, or Bill Evans, and contempory jazz keyboard players like Jamie Cullum, Peter Cincotti, or Diana Krall. I hope Korg will finally wake up & see the light, by simply changing the FOLLOWING 5 chord type voicing recogntions (as well as and in ALL 12 keys, which comes to a TOTAL of: 60 chord recognition changes needed to be made):

1) F1-C2-E2 : Dm7(9) or Dm9
2) F1-B1-E2 : G7(13) or G13
3) E1-A1-D2 : C69
4) Eb1-A1-D2: F7(13) or F13
5) D1-Ab1-C2: Bb7(9) or Bb9

This is an all TOO IMPORTANT feature for any auto accomp arranger feature for ANY keyboard manufacterer to overlook. Not only will it attract more pro jazz players to arranger keyboard playing, but provide a uniform "chord recognition standard" among all arranger keyboard manufacterers as well.


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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
I would think that the new G70 with it's Adaptive Chord Voicing will be able to determine the correct chords as C6/A min..
Scott maybe this feature will determine your "rootless" chords within your chord progression..


Fran, I believe the function of the G70's 'adaptive chord voicing' feature has nothing to do with the the SOUND of your left hand: 'LIVE PLAYING' or even the keyboard's chord recognition of the chord voicings you play. You play a chord and the keyboard's chord recogntion table interpretes the chord voicing you play as a specific chord . . . period. I believe the function of the 'adaptive chord voicing' is providing 'auto accompaniment' parts which include IMPROVED 'voice leading' and bass lines, but doesn't effect the original chord recognition.

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Originally posted by R-F:
I would say a Roland G 70 could be a good choice


I can only say (for me) that the first criteria I look for beyond an arranger keyboard's sounds & styles, is whether it provides the jazz style 'rootless voicing chord recognition I've outlined. If not, I have to pass. I'm able to play keyboards that don't support this (if I had to), but why should I have to limit my playing style and sound? The fact remains (for me) that not until Roland (and/or Korg &GEM) FINALLY include the jazz style chord voicing recognition I'm looking for, will I be able to seriously consider adding a G70 or PA1Xpro for professional performance. Until then, I'll be sticking with Yamaha, or even possibly adding a used Technics KN7000.

Ok, so far, most all of the past arranger keyboard complaints I've made here have been 'eventually' acknowledged & corrected by the associated manufacters. I only hope this particularly important one doesn't fall on deaf ears by Korg, GEM, or Roland, as I think I've presented my points pretty clearly here. I encourage Korg, GEM, and Roland owners to pass this on.

Thanks again to everyone for all your help in promoting this. You might not care about this feature today, but as your keyboard chord playing skills grow, you'll definitely appreciate having it. - Scott

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