[QUOTE]Originally posted by Booby:
[B] (and we know that your beloved Yamaha has a list of them available here),I always replied with facts, of what I'm sure. Are you ?
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SO have I ,with the right topic,I don't put (or paste specs)when I say arranger function,I say ARRANGER function,not karaoke or smf play back featutes to beef it up.
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> poorer chord recognition(compare pa 80/1x and a cheapo yam psr )or 1500 side by side.
> speed the tempo up around 150 & up.trigger the LH chords fast and list how they react.when in yam it's smooth,on pa you'll hear hiccups or timing problems (acc instruments/bass to acc trks)within the measure/bar.
I never experienced this problem and never seen this complain here or in Irish Acts, at least recently. Have you ever tried this ? If yes tell me the exact steps to reproduce it so I can test and confirm (if any .... and report to korg accordingly ...),
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I did and recommed you to do so too.make sure you you change LH chords rather fast and compare.compare which one can handle smoother.
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> sample ram up to 32 mb only(for some)
ok, a little amount but at least it was always here with pa series (and not in ....), offering the possibility to work with Akai library convertion, or free Triton data (a good library is available on the net). Do you know what I mean ? ;-)
A little off topic comment here: sometimes I prefere small memory but well used, since I've heard sounds of gigabites (into a computer of course) sounding really bad: not always bigger is better. Sampling is an art, and I had good opportunity to load some akai samples (not so big, really) from good library working really well (to replace some "so and so" internal sounds I did not like).
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I said Korg sounds are BETTER than yam or roland over all(true wk station sounds).You still have to reread.
if you like low sample ram ,it's your choice.but you shouldnt promote lower sample ram is better than bigger sample ram.it's not about built in.it's the max ram you can update.
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interface is a matter of taste. I found much more intuitive the touch screen and cannot explain you why (I often found myself pushing the display of a ...., with no lucky). Regarding sound selections I made everything in the SongBook and I can prepare my STS for styles, and also SMF or mp3 (do you know about this not available in .... ?). If sometimes, to change things or for some reasons, I've to select 2 buttons (instead of one that's not always, this must be clear) it's not a problem for me, since my already programmed STS works in 90% of cases.
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interface could be a matter of taste,but prefering to push 4 buttons for a simple function (instead of 1 or two) would be a bad taste.yes STS is a pre programmed sound selection(like reg mem).not a on fly select like choosing a new sound when you want it.
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> same problems with style select.can't go from 8/16 beats to jazz/latin without pressing the EXTRA select switch.(remeber shift button on PC keyboard ?,(though you don't have to hold it down)it's very irritating for most.
same story with the SongBook: I'm not playing single styles, I'm playing songs, (while looking for "xxxx bossa" instead of playing "Desafinado", it's stupid) especially live where there is need for fast selections. While live I select a song in the songbook and the correct style/smf/mp3, sts (with clear names - no blind buttons like in ....), arrangement, fx, txt file w/chords and lyrics, drum kit, volumes, easy sound edit, drum mapping, kick&snare designation, fill mode, ....... everything is ready with just 1 (one) single selection. Did you know about this ? Where are all these functions in your favourite arranger ?
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same story?again you are repeating the same specs.
it's obvious that you've never tried a yam or a roland.almost features mentioued above are done by yam/roland more than 5 yrs ago.where have you been?Do you know that Korg started to copy PSR format (SONG BOOK feature is copied from MUSIC FINDER feature after years of /complaints/dumb design -no feature until pa1x)(kick and snare designation? yes it's pretty useless for arrnger function ,since in a drum kit you need more than kick and a snare,you can never replace a 808 kick to jazz and pretend to work ,that feaure is good for programming styles,not for live use,you can only do that by again multiple button pushing to get to that page,just to get the idea)(what about individual drum sounds on fly?,can it do that ,I don't think so).
by the way having song book (or music finder )feature doenst give any excuse to push multiple buttons to choose sounds/styles since we are doing realtime,not pre programmed.
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> The touch-screen sometimes has tiny 'buttons' that are hard to touch because they are close to another button.
Not a problem for me.
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good for you if you like pushing multiple buttons to choose something but may not good for most.
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> I use the songbook so I've not the problem to deal with style mode and song mode that's sometimes annoying in Pa1X. Songbook make the transition transparent and you have only to play, that's my first interest (not selecting buttons). It is the real plus of this instrument in my opinion, it's better than in any other instrument so far, even if still largely understimate. Some features like the txt link (I've short memory), the intuitive sorting feature (like in a pc - you click the top of the column to get the order for it immediatly without rotating the selections until you find the right one - get this after your counting button pressures for selecting sounds or styles ?), genre & artist fields, key info, and the pc editor are incomparable. Check it out this while using it in a real situation. If you like to play, and not pushing buttons, this is a real winner: plays all (SMF and mp3 included!), fast, customizable and plenty of useful informations (description fields, key info)like nobody else.
Another killer feature is the marker handling: they are unlimited (not just four) and can use real names (eventually imported from SMF that already have them programmed). You scroll the list, showing the measure and the real name, you select it and you can totally rearrange a whole smf live, jumping here and there. Have you ever tried this live ? It's not so funny as playing with the arranger, but much better than the common smf player (like those with 4 blind markers).
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again you are repeating smf,mp3 play(markers -roland Discover anyone?) .I'm talking about ARRANGERr mode.
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> No option to add live drum beats to a seq like Yamaha and Ketron do. I've come to love that feature. I like to "modernize" some older sequences by adding some new, hip beats to them
I hate this feature. ]
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good for you.
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> ....even a multipad adds alot
you can use the pads as you want. In Pa1X there are a hundreds of sequences pre-programmed, much more interesting of ... multipads where you have sometimes to trigger two pads just to have the guitar strumming + noises (so the best sound available), not a clever solution since this can be done with just one like in Korg. Also in this case have you ever tried this ?
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yes just recently with new os(pa 1x only)not other PAs(50/60/80 ).again getting wise copied from yam after more than 5 yrs but good for them.(they still need to update the layout)
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> Some drum fills are still a bit unconventional, and busy compared to the style. (Volumes, instruments etc .....).
Yes, sometimes this is true, anyway all is editable Have you ever used one of these "wonderful" styles to rearrange your song (in Quick Record mode).
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again you are talking about the sequence,not arranger.
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> Effects mixer is pretty cryptic with only 4 sends. I prefer the Yamaha design where I have control over each sound's EQ,
no probs even here with the fx sends (cryptic !! why ??), and "nice" having the eq even if I don't have a real need actually, frankly speaking, it's not something changing my life considering the Pa1X sound.
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again talking about the features,as I said in my post Korg has better SOUNDS AND EFX than yam or roland.
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At the end, as previously said ,we see the story in two different ways, and also this story must come to an end. Will be this the right time ? :-))
Cheers.
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from the beginning,I said I like KORG sounds and EFX,hardware,duability.sequencer,sound editing, etc.
Korg lacks big updates (functions) wise in years,when they do they are still behind the competition(arranger function wise).
don't tell me song book is Korg started(it's copied from YAm ) after years of complaints.
multi pads(update which can play loops) was a feature of more than 6-7 yr old PSRs(another copied feature).in Korg it has always been single sounds(yes even on pa 1x until recently).
the story will come to an end now ,but I would recommend you to play/check other arrangers than Korg to understand what they can do.Again this is for ARRANGER function only.
[This message has been edited by jamman (edited 09-26-2005).]
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