after having a korg pa50 for a while, i might want to go with psr3000, mainly because of it's easier to work with OS, and because this one provides more modern features (even if i am not gonna use direct internet thing for instance too much)
i only breafly had the chance to play a psr3000, few months ago, and i honeslty can not remember how was it like, compared with pa50. at that time i remember i even posted on the forum my impressions, but should i trust them anymore!?
in fact, in those five-ten minutes really, how much could i check?
so, i'd like to ask for your oppinion, those that have (had) both of this instruments. what is their abilities compared to each other? really, the psr's manual is not telling almost anything, unfortunatelly!
1. do you think the sounds are comparable? (matter of taste, i know, but need your oppinion) - i liked the sounds on pa50 quite alot.
2. the styles - are they tweakable as in pa50? can you change their sounds on-fly? how many user styles location for new-custom styles? can the factory styles be changed/saved over?
3. assigning action to multi pad. in pa50 i could assign not only sounds but also some functions to the four pads. can i do that in psr?
4. what do you think about key action/feel compared in this two instruments?
5. how's vocal harmonist in psr3000? any good...?
6. is the difference between psr3000 and psr1500 sooo huge? (pricing pa50 = psr1500) i might consider 1500 for a change.
7. and one other important thing to me: in the pa50 there was a anoying noise coming out the speakers, but headphones too, even when the volume slider was all the way down. when going the slider up, this noise stop gradually, but is beeng replaced by the other type of noise, the "normal" one that comes with volume increasing anyway. i know this is a problem that also some other pa50 users had. so, my question is, how clean is the outputs of psr? can i record into the computer without having to apply heavy noise reduction?

i also have some other question, but for more i'll try to surf the forum a little bit!
thanks for sharring!

Good Luck,

Gary

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I demoed the PA50 and was not impressed. Although many people don't like the acoustic piano on the PA50, I thought it was quite good. The organs are very good as well. If I had to choose between the PA50 and PSR1500, I would buy the PSR1500, no hesitation. The sweet voices are just awesome on the Yamaha's, IMO. Neither Korg or Roland come close in the mid-price category.
Starkeeper

thanks for replying!
i thought i'd like the demos i've found on psrtutorial.com more.
but still searching.

read the following post.

[This message has been edited by jamman (edited 02-26-2006).]

Originally posted by adimatis:
1. do you think the sounds are comparable? (matter of taste, i know, but need your oppinion) - i liked the sounds on pa50 quite alot.

over all sound wise(except ac piano ,ac guitars and some reed sounds) and effects pa50 is better IMHO.but sweet/live cool voices are as good.under $1000 you can't get better sound than pa 50(yes better than exrs).

2. the styles - are they tweakable as in pa50? can you change their sounds on-fly? how many user styles location for new-custom styles? can the factory styles be changed/saved over?

preset styles can not be changed totally like PA but ,SM slot and usb thumb drive made up for it.BTW most styles are versatile,plus music finder feature(like perfom mode but easier).and yes you can change them on fly


3. assigning action to multi pad. in pa50 i could assign not only sounds but also some functions to the four pads. can i do that in psr?


better you can play drum loops,and instruments phrases(like pa1x new OS).


4. what do you think about key action/feel compared in this two instruments?

similar but psr has the edge,more reliable action(if you comparing with PA 60,PA 60 is better)


5. how's vocal harmonist in psr3000? any good...?

not pa1x or g70 but useful if you have the right settings


6. is the difference between psr3000 and psr1500 sooo huge? (pricing pa50 = psr1500) i might consider 1500 for a change.

function wise (except VH)psr 1500 is the same,but in sound dept it's way under PA.

7. and one other important thing to me: in the pa50 there was a anoying noise coming out the speakers, but headphones too, even when the volume slider was all the way down. when going the slider up, this noise stop gradually, but is beeng replaced by the other type of noise, the "normal" one that comes with volume increasing anyway. i know this is a problem that also some other pa50 users had. so, my question is, how clean is the outputs of psr? can i record into the computer without having to apply heavy noise reduction?

never heard of issues,but hardware of psr is not great too.


to sum it up
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over all sound wise(except ac piano ) and effects pa50 is better IMHO.but sweet/live cool voices are as good.

psr blows pa is versatility and OS dept(unlike multi button pushing in PA both style and program/perform mode

and yes fills

large support of 3rd party styles,sm card and usb thumb drive for thousands of instant styles and mid files

better and more logical display(no dual button pressing for mutes etc)

easier layout and efx section

muti pads,smf play and arranger synchronization(great features)

over all more useful(less busy)styles,better chord recognition

vh means if you are solo gigger (no seperate mixer needed)(ie-can use power spker since psr has global eq settings)

no wonder yam is getting away with not so great hardware(since their OS,features are hard to beat)


eaiser to get a soft case

downside of psr
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drum samples not as good as pa

overall individual sounds(lacks fullness and punch with few exceptions) compared to pa
-more look of a home KB/hardware

not a real seq(pa 's seq is not that easy to use mainly d/t weak layout though functions are sufficient).




[This message has been edited by jamman (edited 02-26-2006).]

thanks jamman!
i noticed, reading the manual, that psr's "sequencer" while not being a real one, still provides good tool for editing. most of all, i liked "undo" function that completely lack in pa's seq. (at least i didn t find it ) this can be very important when aplying quantize and is not the right settings.
also, the big screen, with many lines display is great for any kind of tweaking i believe.
i wanted to know: is the vocal harm. the same as tyros1 has?
and another thing: it seems to me, even if i never tried it, that psr has better inter-action with a external sequencer (cubase sx for instance). meaning that recording with auto accomp. in cubase, editing and playing the song back on psr does not require so many
button pressed, settings changed, many displays, etc etc.
can anyone confirm?

and one more: how many locations for user/imported styles do i get in psr3000?


[This message has been edited by adimatis (edited 02-27-2006).]

Good Luck,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

thanks gary!

My oh My,what a consensus here !!
I remember Adamatis'quest for the right keyboard from last year and how much problems he had in finally getting the Korg into Rumania.
It seems to me he is now letting himself getting carried away by the Yammie boys overhere.
Well Adamatis there is ONE difference between the two keyboards that no one has mentioned so far:
The PSR3000 sounds like a (very,very) good keyboard.
the Korg PA-50 however sounds like a real band...............
pick your choice !!!!

regards,
john smies