I am wondering, is it worth creating Audio Loops for Audya (Drums and Melodic)
but not from live instruments, i am talking about creating Loops using a DAW
from like High End Libraries, like using Goliath, Battery 3, Kontakt, Reaktor.
Dont those Libraries have better Sounds/Drums then Audya's own Library?
If one can create really good/live sounding Loops for it. Its like creating
Styles from Scratch but instead of MIDI commands in Audya just puting Loops.
Lets talk about this a little:

A lot of those libraries have pretty good MIDI loops programmed to use the VSTi drums, and they sound quite excellent, so I'm sure this is a very good way to do things. However, the one thing that everybody tends to forget, when making drum loops for styles is... you are going to need an Intro (or up to four, if you are programming the style correctly), and likewise Endings. And most audio loop libraries don't have those, nor most MIDI libraries in fact, plus the drums for the Intro/Ending really ought to follow the music, not the other way 'round..!

But using BFD or the other great drum libraries, at least THERE you can program in your own patterns for the Intros. Audio loops, I'm afraid you are mostly out of luck, unless you do as the Ketron guys did... hire a studio, hire a world class drummer, mike the heck out of the kit and room, then get him to PLAY what you want! I doubt too many of us will be able to afford that!

What makes the Audya so good is also its' weakness, IMO. Once you start to really like live audio drum loops, you are not going to be too happy with beats you create yourself (at least, either unless you ARE a drummer, or are doing hiphop beats and things like that that drummers don't play anyway), rather the same way that most of us prefer the drums in the best MIDI ROM styles (most of them played by great drummers on MIDI kits, anyway) to styles we program ourselves.

At least, if you are trying to sound like a REAL drummer...

Hi Nedim.....
Yes....It is very good, to make styles with VST Drums like BFD2, XLN, Batery 3 and and and....
I am working in this method one year before < I had this possibility as beta user Ketron before release with update>.....
It is VERY VERY GOOD and of course LIVE possibility to make COMPLETE style with Audio Loops, and of course it without sampler, but with Disc Streaming way...
Please listen my styles:

1)Style with XLN Drums: http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/1/fkQoaTdrG3w

2)Style with Kontakt 4 http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/4/IZVGYdxgMiM

3)Style with Battery_3 http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/6/j5h9YT5AU1Q

4)Style with BFD_2 and Stylus RMX http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/9/moBQsAd6HbY

5)Style with Stylus RMX mix loops http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/14/O6TR7B3bplM

6)Style with BFD_2 and also Stylus RMX http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/17/G9evLCMtBOg

7)Style with percusions like Darbuka, Bedir, and Toubeleki...
All this percusions I play him i, and I have recorded in my Home Studio http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/2/kvjZ0VKjk2g

Thank you....



[This message has been edited by Sokratis 1974 (edited 09-21-2010).]

I personally think they are not as good as the Audya factory styles..

But then it might be because i don't like this kind of music...

In General i tought they sounded more like Yamaha styles then Ketron styles.

My friend Bachus.....
I do not compare Factory Styles with mine, because they is a completely different style of music.....
I gave the links in order to I show Drums and Style that I have made using Loops that I made with VST Drums….
If you want to hear modern style that I have made, please listen this… http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/13/y3vGJZgCRXQ

Or this http://www.youtube.com/user/sok121974ify?feature=mhum#p/u/11/9G_uRtYwC48

Thanks..

[This message has been edited by Sokratis 1974 (edited 09-22-2010).]

Diki,
I agree 100%...and just a little off topic but related...CONTENT is the biggest reason prodcts like Mediastation, OMB, LiveStyler etc find it difficult...If we ae all honest...who rally has the tech. and musical talent (AND the time) to do your own drum loops, styles new voices etc.

Content (sure, functions too) is a big reason we buy the arranger we do..or WS as far as that goes.

As an example my PA2XPRO has tremendous tools onboard for sampling & creating new sounds, creating styles, song book programming, tons of different edits, superb MIDI implementation.....AND pretty good content. Some available elsewhere.

But Yamaha has TONS of content built in and available elsewhere...I think that's the reason for their success.
(Don't have much experience with Keton, Roland etc)

Content is hard to come by and costs lots of $$..IMHO.

Lee S.

Hi Guys,
( apologies Nedim, I don't mean to hijack your post) but I have a question.

How do these high end library loops differ to the audio loops in Band in a Box,
( apart from probably the quality ).

ie with Band in a Box & Real Band loops it's as simple as typing in a chord progression, choosing a style, and you've got an instant backing track.

Do these expensive libraries work the same way, is there additional work involved in putting a backing track together.
I've never really gotten involved before, mainly because my laptops hadn't been up to scratch.

best wishes
Rikki

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[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 09-23-2010).]