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#124080 - 08/08/05 07:23 AM Amp and speaker question ....
Charlie71 Offline
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Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 45
Loc: Alice, TX 78332
Howdy,
I'm just getting started in the solo performance scene. I have a Roland EXR-3, a Behringer UB1002 mixer, and a Shure mic. I want to start playing small gigs and I want to know what would be the best amp/speaker to buy. Will ONE system give me the range I need? I would really like to find something in the $500 or less range, but that may not be possible.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Charlie
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#124081 - 08/08/05 07:32 AM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
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#124082 - 08/08/05 08:55 AM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
Charlie71 Offline
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Registered: 06/28/05
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Loc: Alice, TX 78332
Thanks, Donny...
This looks like just what I need. I read the whole other forum article and Gary really brings the point home about the new technology.
One more question... how do you set your Z-5500 system up (in relation to you and your keyboard & mic, etc)? Do you have to place the speakers on stands or leave them on the floor?
Thanks for the great info...
Charlie

I found Gary's PSR Tutorial site and see EXACTLY how to set it up. The photo is a little small, so where is the 5th satellite speaker?

Thanks again!
Charlie

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#124083 - 08/08/05 09:32 AM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Charlie,

The 5th (center) speaker is positioned on top of the subwoofer and the satelites are on the stands positioned about 4 to 5 feet to each side and approximately four feet to the rear of the keyboard. Position of the satellites will vary somewhat with the vocal EQs, the mic you are using, and its ability to supress feedback.

Good luck,

Gary
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#124084 - 08/08/05 09:46 AM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
Charlie71 Offline
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Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 45
Loc: Alice, TX 78332
Thanks, Gary!
As I said, I'm very new to the "audio setup" world so I'm going to try and get everything set up with my particular situation. I'll plug the EXR3 and microphone into my Behringer UB1002 and then the output from the UB1002 will go to the Z-5500. This will allow me to occasionally add a guitarist (plugs into the UB1002 also) to accompany me.
Does this sound right?
Thanks again,
Charlie
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#124085 - 08/08/05 01:43 PM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
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Registered: 03/21/03
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Loc: Motown
Charlie, Logitech seems to be the latest rage with many SZ members, but not me. My suggestion is to check out your local music dealers and see what they have in your price range. For $500 you can get a lot of items that will do the job. I, for one, am not convinced that Logitech Zs are the best all around system. Behringer, Kustom, Crate and others sell systems that will also do the trick in a more conventional manner.
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#124086 - 08/08/05 01:44 PM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
Charlie71 Offline
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Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 45
Loc: Alice, TX 78332
Howdy Cass...
Thanks for the input. My problem is that I'm from DEEP south Texas and we do not have ANY local music dealers within 2 hours drive. The only way I can see what is available is to have you guys tell me. Even though I stated $500 as a limit, I would really like to find something for $300 or less if possible. I do want a good system with "range" so that my sounds aren't "missing parts." What would you suggest, Cass?

Hey Donny and Gary...
I was just made aware of the new Yamaha StagePas 300 system. It is twice the price of the Z-5500 but it is pretty compact and has reverb for the vocals... Would it be worth the extra $$ and would it "cover" the area as well as the Z-5500?
Just asking...
Charlie

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#124087 - 08/08/05 02:54 PM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15560
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Charlie,

The only thing I know about the Yamaha PAS system is what I've read on some other forums. No one provided glowing reports about the system, and in most instances, those that purchased the Yammies returned them to the dealers. Charlie, I suggest you purchase the Logitech system from Comp U.S. of another retailer with a liberal return policy, one that will not penalize you for returning the equipment if it cannot fit your needs. Let your ears make the decission for you. And, if you're married, let your wife's ears make the decission--they're better at this stuff than we are.

Cassp,

Have you tried the Logitech Z-5500 system? If so, I'm surprized at your comments about them.

With only one exception I know of, Scott Langholf, everyone loves the sound quality and the system's ability to provide excellent coverage over a broad venue for audiences to 150 people. I've used the Z-5500 with just the keyboard and mic, and with an Alesis Multimix 6FX mixer, fired a pair of guitars and two mics through it, plus the keyboard, and it kicked butt over any conventional system I've used in the past 20 years--including my big Peavey's that I spent a small fortune on.

The key to using them is proper tuning of the keyboard's EQs, Mic EQs and setting the volumes correctly. When this is done, the entire spectrum of sounds is transmitted beautifully through those tiny speakers and subwoofer. Naturally, speaker placement has a lot to do with the dispersion of sound, just as it does with any other system. If the speakers are not positioned correctly, sound quality and coverage will obviously suffer.

Good luck,

Gary

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#124088 - 08/08/05 02:59 PM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
captain Russ Offline
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7285
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
Charlie...it's all about sound you like, durability (in my case...I play a lot outside) and set-up time. I work 250-300 jobs a year...many back to back, an hour apart, with 20 minutes of drive time.

I tried several Logtech and didn't like the build quality, lack of mid's or the number of components. I use a Carvin 200 watt 13 pound 6 channel head and whatever speakers are called for($489 with connection cords, 2 200 watt 10's and a serviceable vocal mic).. I have 2 10"s, 2 12"s, 2 15"s. The head has on board effects. It's constructed like a tank...over 1,000 jobs...been dropped, rained on, etc. Connection is two speaker cords. You already have a serviceable mixer. Why not consider a power amp and speakers? Old school, but very serviceable. You could get a 300-400 watt stereo power amp for under $200 and a set of 12's for $300.00.

Another option: the green 100 watt Carvin with three inputs and two on board effects processors,a 12 and a horn....$399, with an available extension speaker, or with any available 8 ohm 2nd speaker. I do 25% of my restaurant jobs (keyboard, mic and guitar) with this compact "full range" unit. I use Carvin because of durability, price and a long-time relationship with the factory, but other manufacturers have similar units of similar quality.

Try them, if you can. Carvin and Musicians Friend have liberal return policies. Logtech isn't for me, but if they do the job, get one!


Best of luck,


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#124089 - 08/08/05 03:14 PM Re: Amp and speaker question ....
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
Charlie, I reviwed the Yamaha PAS on this forum. Just search for it.
Quickly: not enough power. Effects are not good enough to use.
The Peavey Escort is far better.
DonM

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