Hi Folks,
I use to be able to hook up my audio outs from my keyboard and record to a cd recorder. Thing is busted! Any suggestions on what I should buy? I just bought the PSR2000 and don't want to piss off the wife any further on big $$$$ items. Don't worry I'm on my way to Zales tomorrow at lunch for her Christmas payback. Credit card debt is a fabulous thing. Anyway, I don't want to record through my computer. I want to go from my 2K directly to a cd burner, you know, like a tape recorder, vocals and all. Any suggestions on which CD burner to get that will leave me with a bit of genitalia when the wife finds out! Oh, the reason I don’t want to go through the computer is I’m recording her a Christmas CD and with my computer by the bed, she’s not a moron…

Thanks


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I have a Tacam CDRW4U burner . This hs what your looking for . $399.99

Sony CDRW33 is another option . More $ .

dano

Beachbum,
I have been thinking about a recorder myself and am most interested in two Tascam models, one which sells for about $400 and the other for about $500.
http://www.music123.com/category/?d=7&dd=954727713&c=301&issd=0&src=Tascam

Let us know what you get. Lanny

Why not get a minidisc recorder, put it all down to minidisc and then hook it up to the pc when she's not around!

S.


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Very timely post .... I'm on the same track, but have been looking at the Phillips 775 to 785 models..... Less expensive than the prices quoted here, especially on e-bay ....anyone with any info on their quality? .... thnx .....
t.

For the prices of some of those stand-alone CD burners, you could almost buy a new computer these days. I recently bought Yamaha's newest CD burner, CRW-F1, as an internal unit for my computer for $199 and it is incredibly fast. I can burn an entire CDR in three minutes. It has special settings for audio-mastering and it also has a neat T@2 ("tatoo") feature that let's you burn images and text into the unused space on the data-side of the CDR. Here's the website for it:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/multimedia/customer/features/feat_prodsF1_flash.html

BB,
I mix down to an Alesis Masterlink, which has worked flawlessly for a couple of years. It has a 9gig hard drive on board, with provisions for 5 seperate songlists, internal dsp etc.
jam on,
Terry

I've been pleased with the HHB 850. It's a little pricey, but works well with both professional and consumer CDs.

Tony ,
Phillips Burners not not allow you to use the lesser expensive cd's . You pay $1.40 a CD vs. .55 cents . Some consumer models do not have analog inputs or EQ and compression ( Sony CDRW 33).

dano

Great replies as always.
I'm thinking about giving one of these a shot. http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11174287&m=1&cat=3&scat=6 http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11184646&m=1&cat=3&scat=6
I've got the sound mixed on the keyboard and recorded to disk. Now all I have to do is record it to the cd with vocals.

I suppose I have another choices.
I could record it to my yamaha 4 track tape which would mix it futher. Then record it to the CD unit. However, if I do it that way the cd-recorder would be $249 waste of money. At that point I should invest in a sound card with RCA in's and burn it on my computer. If I do it that way will I have to get a music software program to filter it to the cd?
I just like to keep things simple. Record on the keyboard then record it to disk without putting it here and taking it thier.



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I don't steer the ship, I bail out the water.

I have to second Terry's opinion on the Alesis Masterlink ML-9600.
Personally I think this is the absolute best option for a home studio
owner to make studio quality CDs. I got the newer version that ships
with a 20GB hard drive and I am amazed at the flawless audio quality
of this technical marvel.

First off, the unit costs $900. However, you must realize that you
are getting a hard disk recorder, CD burner and Mastering Tools
bundled in a very nifty easy to use standalone package.

Often home studio owner have the problem of not being able to get
their CDs to sound as loud as commercial CDs. Typically they sound
2-6dB softer. The missing link is the Masterlink. The Masterlink
has a clever look ahead peak limiter. When you engage this DSP tool
you can listen in real time how your average level will jump up
as you lower the threshold parameter. In addition, the Masterlink
has 3 more DSP tools. It has a 3 band equalizer, compressor and
a normalizer.

I also have a Tascam DA30 DAT machine and a Philips CDR880 CD
burner that I no longer use.

The Masterlink is a wonderful tool for a hobbyist. Short of going
to a professional studio for doing your mastering on mega budget
studio gear, the Masterlink will get you closest to audio nirvana.

After lots of trials and errors, I found the best way to make
those big sounding transparent mixes was to playback your MIDI
modules live via a software sequencer into an analog Mackie Mixer
like the LM-3204 or CR-1604 and take the stereo out and feed
that directly into the Masterlink and record to the hard drive
at 24-bits, 96kHz. This bypasses the noisy computer altogether.
Next, define your start/end points for each song, and crop.
Move the start time by 2 seconds for all songs. This will give
you a constant 2 second gap between songs with absolute silence.
Finally, make a red book CD while dithering down to 16-bit, 44.1kHz.

These CDs sound fabulous. Moreover there are no SCMS hassles and
the unit accepts any bargain basement brand of CDRs.

The Yamaha Ultimate CD burner mentioned before is another excellent
choice.

Tapas

To answer beachbum's question: if you already have a CDR in your computer then get Sonic Foundry Sound Forge. It'll do everything you need. All the thing that Tapas mentioned that he does with the Alesis Masterlink, Sound Forge does and much more for way less money than any hardware processor. It makes editing audio and doing common things like clean fades very easy, plus it is a CD burning program - it will tell you how much time is remaining on your CDR and offer the options you need for closing the finished CD so it'll play on any CD player. And it'll create MP3 files from your wave files, which you'll be wanting when you get your wifey an MP3 player.

dano ..... Thanks for the info .... some of the literature I've read indicates that you can record on any type CD .... I'm really a novice at this stuff.... what should I be asking specifically? .... also, I have been checking that the units have analog inputs for recording .... I've noticed that the Phillips retail for about $100 more than the others ..... are they that much better? ...
thnx agn .....
t.

I have to disagree with Dano.

I have a Philips CRD 765 CD recorder and player for over 4 years and it does a great job.
I payed $499.00 for it at that time.

I just recently bought 50 blank TDK CD's for less than 50 cents each.
My Philips burner accepted each and every one of them.

beachbum .... the cd recorder is 'busted'? ..what happened to it? what model was it? .....
How did you go from your kb to the cd recorder? .. thnx ...

dano and alex... The Philips CDR880 literature says "• Records on all Digital Audio CD-R & CD-RW discs" ...... Can you translate what that means as far as the more expensive vs the 'cheap' cds? ....
thnx,
t.
PS ... With all these questions, I'm starting to feel like Scottyee
t.


[This message has been edited by tony mads usa (edited 12-05-2002).]

Standalone consumer audio CD recorders like the Philips CDR880
and others are designed to record on CDR blanks marked as
"Digital Audio". They all have a circuit inside to check
if the CDR is a Data CD or an Audio CD. There is no difference
in the media, except that the Audio CD blanks have a special
code. They cost more than data CD blanks because a portion
of the sales goes to the recording companies.

Recording companies assume that you are making illegal
copies of copyrighted audio CDs and so they exact the money
upfront from you!

A typical generic data CD costs about 14 cents. A typical
digital audio data CD costs about 50 cents.

Having said that, you can still fool the Philips CDR880 in
accepting generic data CDs. All you have to do is insert
a digital audio CD, close the tray, let the Philips scan
the blank CD for the code, and give it a few seconds to
auto calibrate. Now that the Philips is happy, pry out
the tray very slowly and exchange the digital audio CD
blank with the cheaper data CD blank. Close the tray
back very slowly. Begin recording. Problem bypassed!

However, if you are using your computer CD burner, all
this does not apply - it works with any CD blank.

Tapas.

Why is that ? ? ? ? ? ?

Now that PCs are getting increasingly cheaper and more powerful,
it would be a much better investment to buy the powerful software
tools offered by Sonic Foundary as suggested by 'The Pro' in an
earlier post.

For starters, get the CD Architect 5.0. This is the perfect tool
for Red Book CD mastering complete with PQ code editing. Next,
add Sound Forge 6.0, the Professional Digital Audio Editor and
apply the Compressor, Volume maximizer and Normalizing tools.
To remove pops and clicks, machine noise, rumble and tape hiss,
you can add Noise Reduction 2.0. These tools complement each other
and offer serious editing and mastering power.

For your CD burner, the reigning champ is the Yamaha Ultimate
CD burner. It can print text on the unused portion of the CD
using the laser to etch letters.

PCs in the past suffered from noisy low quality sound cards.
This is not true any more. Check out the RME Hammerfal DSP
cards. This will give you professional analog to digital
converters.

The PC is the future. With so many software tools out there,
you are better off going this route. It is cost effective,
more versatile, and offers hours of fun while you explore
and experiment with the myriad of options.

Tapas.

Beachbum,
I understand your feelings about spending any more right now. My wife is still "reminding" me of my purchase back in August. I don't see it stopping soon

If you check out http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/005281.html

There is a mention of a $99 recorder that is used with the PSR2000. Worth checking out I guess. Or just record when your wife is out of the house.

Good luck,
- Brian

Thanks to ALL of you for your input ... for me the current overriding factor is budget priorities!!! At home I am struggling with a dinosaur of a pc that is constantly reminding me that I am running out of memory space... (I THINK it's referring to the computer, not me ?!? ) so I would have to invest in a new pc first ... I'll be looking for a used cd recorder on e-bay, which should hold the expense down somewhat, and it will take the place of my current cd player, which I will try to sell on e-bay.... plus, I have a lot of old cassette recordings of the group that I played with for MANY years and a lot of 'vinyl' that I want to preserve on cd....
thnx agn to all of you ....
t.

The CD recorder just quit working. I gave it to my buddy Dave to see if he could fix it. But alas, the holiday season wants more buckage from this little elf, in the means of purchasing recording items. The Recorder I had was a 3-year-old pioneer. I hooked up the RCA cables to the analog and pressed record and played away. Although, it would only use audio CD and I could never place tracks into it, It was just a long play format. Thanks for the heads up on the Nomad MP3 recorder. It retails for $249 with a $100 rebate and another $50 rebate, which ends on DEC 7. If it where $99 that would be fine, but trying to get past $150 in rebates is tough to get by my wife. "I know honey its $250 bucks but look at these mail in rebates!" It never plays well with the wife. I think I'm going to go with my 4 track tape recorder then burn it to my computer.
Oh, did a Christmas gig tonight, I wish I could do, "oh, holy night" all year long, I love the folks coming up to me saying they got chills. Cool...

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Timely information, sir!
I just asked about the YamahaCRW-F1 on the yamaha-psr-styles Forum

cheers
Eddie

Eddie,
IMO the Yammy CRW F 1 is the happenin' burner.

The Phillips one mentioned here only burning at 4x's.....zzzzzzzzzz. Maybe ok for one tune, but if you want to burn 12 cuts and make 6 copies to give out.....you'll be at it for quite awhile.
Terry

Thanks Terry for your enthusiasm.
Before I go any further, I have looked at the url supplied by PRO and admit to being a little confused about the range available.
I can see CRW's Internal and External;
CRW'2 which are EIDE? and SCSI.
How easy is it to incorporate an Internal into a PC Motherboard? I think that my fear of opening the case would debar me from doing that and would therefore go for an external unit. But am I being too scared?
Any assurances forthcoming here?

thanks again for any help from anyone reading this.
cheers
Eddie



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As I mentioned to Eddie at the PSR Styles Group, CompUSA is selling a Memorex stand alone (external) USB CD burner for $100 (after rebate) !!!!

Bob

Sorry Bob, I don't think you mentioned it, maybe it was to someone else.
Thanks now nyway for the info, but I also wanted to know about the installation of an internal CDR to decide whether I should tackle it
cheers
Eddie



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Eddie,
installing an internal CDR is no big deal; basically you have to:
1- remove the sides of you PC cabinet
2- insert the CDR into one of the upper bays (it's very likely that you'll have to remove the plastic cover first)
3- connect a flat IDE cable to the CDR and (with the other end) to one of IDE sockets on the motherboard
4- connect a power cable to the CDR
5- (optional) connect the audio output of the CDR to your sound card.
6- tightly secure the CDR with four screws.

It's one of those things that are much easier with a picture or a drawing; all the PC magazines have a section on "How to do...", with plenty of pictures.
Email me if you need more details (I bet you will...)
Andrea

I've had bad experience with almost every Memorex product I've ever owned, including hardware, tapes, minidisks and CDs.
DonM

Thanks Andrea

You have now put my brain back into gear

I realise that I have asked a similar question in the past and found out that I do not have a spare bay

Looks like I will have to go for an external after all.

@ Don
Thanks for your impressions of Memorex.
I think that I will buy from Yamaha anyway, since I figure that they should be suitable for a Yamaha keyboard setup.
cheers
Eddie

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I would say go with the Yamaha CD recorder. Yamaha is the
worlds number 1 manufacturer of CDR drives. Their high speed
CDR blanks are very reliable. TDK is another great brand that
has consistently given me 100% satisfaction.

Tapas

Hi Tapas,

I believe we have now explored this thread to its ultimate conclusion with your own knowledgeable input.

Thanks to all for your comments.
Yamaha it is!
cheers
Eddie

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