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#94385 - 07/12/07 03:22 PM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
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Quote:
Originally posted by cgiles:
The MiniMoog was musical. The DX7 was musical. The Hammond organ was musical.


The Dx7 did so many things that were revolutionary but
it, to my ears, was not fully musical. When you got
above or below the middle octaves, it sounded very out
of tune. In fact, in those days when I was stricly sax and
a leader i wouldn't hire a kb player who used a dx7. I also
hated playing with guys who used the early Kurzweils
with its overrated piano sound, which was to my ears
overbright, hard and brittle. Speaking of overrated, these
Bose column systems are all that imo..

Ok, here I am hijacking the thread...
so sorry..as you were...OK the Mediastation is the topic..
it seems to me that its major selling
points are that it weighs a ton and therefore is not a
"plastic toy"..so if you carry it around you will not likely
break it so easily..your back will go into spasm instead.
and don't drop it on your toe! I guess my plastic Korg is35
has lasted 7 yrs without a problem, and I don't use any
case for it, just put it under my arm..but i'm sure it will
only last a few years more, whereas the Mediastation
will last for decades, and will always be up-to-date..yes,
folks, it's the end of progress..this here kb means nothing
will ever be able to improve on it..it's open-ended, right?
that's the other big selling point--but I think maybe even
the technology of theft (if Diki is correct) will be subject
to yet-undreamed of technological advancement, hmmm?

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#94386 - 07/12/07 11:33 PM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
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Sounds personal to me especially when the facts are being misrepresented and mischaracterized.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot we are supposed to feel bad for the original samplers?


One of the biggest problems Dom has is public relations and marketing.

Yes some of us do understand the concept of the mediastation. Integration of studio and live performance and a lasting hardware product is the order of the day. It is not what the manufacturer makes the keyboard but what the skilled and professional electronic musician makes the keyboard. To this end, they need to get professional demos done. Use musicians who know how to play and to use electronic keyboards. The mediastation may be a different keyboard from the other manufacturers but when it comes to demos, the mediastation needs to do like the others and get a well skilled demonstrator and have that person play like no one can.

I am sure in the right hands, the T2 and other TOTL arrangers can sound bad.

The other issue Dom needs to deal with (and this is not being said to make him feel bad), but Dom should not be posting to the Synth zone.
I can understand that English is not his first language but the expressions and the tones of some of his posts would lead some persons with a not so good feeling. And it appears that some persons have a personal dislike for him and his product.

Also because he is the major developer, he tends to focus more on the technical aspect of the mediastation rather than the music making potion.


And these 2 points are linked together. You have to have a good music demo and you have to have a person to talk about and explain the musical features of the mediastation. That person would have to do some damage control because some of the posters on the synth zone have given your product a bad rap.

Although the concept of the keyboard is different from the others, people still need to be spoon fed or enticed or persuaded or what ever term you want to use in to buying your product. To most people, they are not concern with how you get there (being a superior musical product), but as long as you get there.
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#94387 - 07/13/07 12:12 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
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I REALLY don't want to pursue the sampling issue on every thread about MS. There are already threads dealing with that issue that you can post on.

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#94388 - 07/13/07 12:18 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
Taike Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by to the genesys:

I am sure in the right hands, the T2 and other TOTL arrangers can sound bad.


You mean "I am sure in the WRONG hands, the T2 and other TOTL arrangers can sound bad" of course.

Yet, I pretty much agree with most of what you've said.

Let's not forget that we tend to get defensive when we're constantly being criticized. There are enough posts to prove that. While some just brush it off, others don't. Yet there are those that do not grant Dom that right as they play on his defensiveness. How would you react if you were constantly the target of criticism.

Let's also look at the large number of posts where other brands and models are being criticized. Yet, you don't hear a single word from the makers. Does that make them better than Dom in terms of marketing their products, customer service or is it because they just don't give a hoot whether you want something improved, changed or added. So far Roland hasn't responded to Diki's lament on the Chord Sequencer. I'd be really pissed at Roland if I were Diki and not at Dom. So far Yamaha hasn't come out with a 76-key arranger eventhough the vast amount of posts that cry out for one. In more ways than one Dom does actually listen to what MS users want but he doesn't owe non-MS users a single thing.

As for the legal or illegal copying...let's not play hanging judge, okay?

JMHO

Taike
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#94389 - 07/13/07 12:51 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
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Taike, go and have a browse through the Lionstracts web site...

All over the site you read how they brag that the MS is so superior over all the other arrangers out there. (no other brands brag to this extent)

it has the specs on paper to prove its superiority but music is what u hear and what u hear is not superior to "home plastic keyboards".

go and read the yamaha / roland / korg / ketron sites... sure they all have their bragging points on their machines which they are so rightful for becuase their products are proven quality.
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#94390 - 07/13/07 05:46 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
Taike Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nick G:
Taike, go and have a browse through the Lionstracts web site...

All over the site you read how they brag that the MS is so superior over all the other arrangers out there. (no other brands brag to this extent)

it has the specs on paper to prove its superiority but music is what u hear and what u hear is not superior to "home plastic keyboards".

go and read the yamaha / roland / korg / ketron sites... sure they all have their bragging points on their machines which they are so rightful for becuase their products are proven quality.



I know what you're getting at, Nick, but it's still Dom's site. He can pretty much post there whatever he wants.

It doesn't bother me in the least. Why should it bother anyone?

Taike

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#94391 - 07/13/07 06:27 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
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now i realize why i jumped on the DX7 reference, which
led me into the Kurzweil reference, which led me into
the Bose reference..and then I caught myself and went
back to topic...(unfortunately because maybe my hijack was
more interesting lol)

it's because the topic has been DONE TO DEATH. no wonder
Nigel interjected..
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#94392 - 07/13/07 07:31 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
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Quote:
Originally posted by keysvocalssax:
it's because the topic has been DONE TO DEATH...


Unlike yours, Mo ("What features do you love on your KB"; "Are arranger players putting other musicians out of work"; real ground-breakers, those).

just sayin'


chas



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#94393 - 07/13/07 07:58 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
keysvocalssax Offline
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say what u wanna say chas, no problemo..
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#94394 - 07/13/07 08:15 AM Re: Lionstracs Mediastation to showcase in the UK
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hey chas, just noticed you participated in my threads that
you disparaged as non-groundbreaking. thanks for that
favor, must have been boring, huh? i wasn't trying to break new ground, just trying to get some learning and offer some.
i've seen a lot of posts about what kb's people like, as you
have, but i haven't seen much (in my time here at least) as
far as a thread which addresses favorite features.. thought
that hearing from SZ folks about that might help me..also
my post re arrangers putting musicians out of work was
a speciific branchoff from a more generalized thread that
was being discussed and I wanted to get some more light
on that specific part of it from a new angle.
as far as MS, it's the same pro/con arguments over and
over from most of us who are not that familiar with it
hands-on. but if you want to spend your time searching
for supposed hypocrisy in my replies and then calling me
out on them, i guess you have your reasons, so be it.

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