From Brazil to UK, from Bossa Nova to a classic ballad: Careless Whisper by Wham (from "Make it big").
The challenge this time was to create the right atmosphere; to make the comparison easier, I have tried to choose "similar" sounds on both keyboards. The styles, however, are slightly different: 16 Beat Pop for the Tyros 2 and CCCP 16 (by Midi Spot) for the G-70, both played at 82 bpm (slightly faster compared with the original song).

Both songs can be downloaded at Createsongstylescom (click here
The G-70 version can be downloaded also at Roland-Arranger.com (click here
To download the songs, at both sites, you have to register but it doesn't take much time neither is complicated and -besides- I think that they are both excellent sites, where you have access to a wealth of informations and also a lot of benefits.

I will be out of town for about ten days, but hope to have access to the Internet to check the Forum, from time to time.

Bye for now.

I think the Roland G70 sounded much better than the Tyros2.

Then again, I think the Tyros2 sounded much better then the G70.

Oh bother! What's a bear to do?

WONDERFUL playing all the same!

Ian



[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 09-16-2007).]

Exactly what I think.

I had my wife listen without telling her what board was being played she liked both thought they were close in sound, but she thought the Tyros 2 had just a little better sound. Nothing really new to report when you come right down to it.

Dreamer nice job with both selections.


[This message has been edited by Stephenm52 (edited 09-16-2007).]

Ian,
I have this same problem.
I play the new Roland E 80 for a month and I am convinced it is the best keyboard I ever played.
Then I take the Tyros 2 on a 10 day trip playing it only in the motorhome etc, and I say, what could I have been thinking about that E 80.
So...........I suffer the same confusion.
Yesterday, I put the Tyros 2 on a bottom rack as is the E 80 and I will play them more often, one after the other, and see if it is just my brain forgetting what the other one sounds like
Best to you,
Bebop

they both sounded nice, but the lead sounds on the T2 were way far superior.


sorry
Mikey

This exercise merely demonstrates that the KEY ingredient is the keyboard 'PLAYER', and not the keyboard itself, of which makes the music SHINE. Buy the keyboard which best matches your 'personal' needs & requirements, and then merely take the time REQUIRED to learn, & master its full potential, and you'll be happy as I am, with my keyboard (T2). - Scott

Quoted from my reply at Crate Song Styles:


Again, nice performance Andrea!

Since I did comment the other test/upload, I thought I could comment this ones as well.
This time I downloaded the files, put it on a memstick, and asked another person in the
house to playback the files, but not tell me what is what.

And in my ears the result are that both are very good, but the one who are T2 sounds
more "metallic" and CD'ish and not as soft and "live" as the G-70 version.
Also I think the sax sound better on the G-70 version.
Anyway, this is strictly my personal taste, as always.

Keep on have fun and joy with the music!

Happy Playing
GJ

Ciao Andrea,

Great playing on both. Thanks for posting these songs.
One of the things I noticed right away, is that there is a bit to much reverb on the T2.
I play the same song on the T2 and it sounds more like the G70 (which btw I liked better).
Having a dryer sound, gives you a more in your face feel. The G70 was a bit dryer.
Then I turn up the volume on the drums and a little on the bass and voila. you have a more powerful sound.

Thanks again Andrea. Great job as always.

Eric

Hey Eric,

I do exactly the same as you.

I find the reverb too heavy on many of the T2 styles and it starts to get mushy when busy.

I also push up the drums and bass a little for a more "in yer face" feel like I had with the Ketrons I had.

Nice Playing Dreamer - I prefer the G70 version btw but they both sound very good indeed.

Regards - Keith (KFingers)

Finding the ideal reverb level can be a tough thing and depends a lot on whether you are setting it up for live playing vs recording. In a recording even a little reverb can sound very wet whereas in a live situation reverb tends to get lost in the room ambience and more of it is required to get the same effect.

Actually, I'm from sort of the opposite camp, Nigel. I try to make my tracks and registrations DRIER at gigs than for recording...

Of course, sitting right next to a monitor or in front of the speakers will mask it out, but the fact is, at all but the deadest room gigs, the room ITSELF is the 'extra' reverb, and the further away from the speakers the audience sits, the more it factors into what they are hearing (and you are not!).

I hear an awful lot of acts that 'distance' themselves from the audience by providing a nice warm 'bath' of reverb for themselves to hear, not realizing that it is destroying any intimacy with the crowd, and reverb=distance. The more reverb, the further away you SOUND, even if you are only a few feet away.

If you need more reverb for a comfort level, buss more of it into your monitors, NOT the main mix... Your audience will usually make a better 'contact' with your music if it sounds up-front (but not loud!)...

JMO, yada yada yada...

I am back from five pleasant days in Amsterdam, Holland; first of all, thanks to all who listened to my songs and commented on them.
Upon request from a member of another Forum, I have recorded a third version of "Careless Whisper", utilizing what I thought was the best of each keyboard, kind of "Roland and Yamaha join their forces".
The MP3 can be downloaded at createsongstyles.com (link here and also at my remote disk, at this address . At the same address I have also uploaded the renditions done on the Tyros 2 and the G-70, for ease of comparison.
Enjoy!

P.S.: as usual, at the italian site you have to select a song and then press "Scarica".