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#89545 - 01/02/11 07:29 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
Taike Offline
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Originally posted by Tony Hughes:

Taike,

Wow take it easy, most of this is far too complex, people should not judge other countries from what they see on TV etc or what they read, they need to go there and live for a while. Taike what kind of KB do you have.

Regards

Tony


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#89546 - 01/02/11 07:32 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
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#89547 - 01/02/11 07:40 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
zuki Offline
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I think NAFTA had something to do with all this and where did that originate? Greed at its finest.
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#89548 - 01/02/11 07:48 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Taike,

While I agree with much of what you state, historically, it is just that History. We cannot change history--it's not possible. We (all of us) can only change what happens in the future. Someone a lot smarter than me said if you want to find out why certain events took place historically "Just follow the money trail!" He was absolutely correct. Seems this is still the case today.

Very few people, especially in the U.S. and U.K., have taken the time to look at China's contributions to the world. Many, many things we all take for granted would not have existed if it had not been for China's very industrious and creative people.

As for arranger keyboards being made in China, when you consider the low number of problems we encounter, the quality can be rated as second to none. Here in the U.S. we have more recalls for defective cars, auto tires and a host of other items, including medications, than anyone can imagine.

Should we boycott China? I think we better start worrying if they decide to boycott us.

BTW: This one should be at The Bar...

Gary
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#89549 - 01/02/11 07:51 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
Dnj Offline
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Originally posted by travlin'easy:
BTW: This one should be at The Bar...

Gary





although I agree... what the heck....
pretty soon we'll have a completely new forum
looks like I won't make 20,000 on this one



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#89550 - 01/02/11 08:01 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2208
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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Originally posted by Taike:
Laughable is all I can say.

Come one, you're talking about human rights while ignoring basic human rights at home. Talk to the Native Americans about human rights and you'll hear quite a different story.

Are you willing to compensate all those you've raped and murdered, or all the land you stole, usually by breaking treatments? Nope, don't think so. You even balk at returning looted artifacts to the country of origin. Yet here you are talking about human rights. The lame excuse that there was no central government or that you brought civilisation is so pathetic. Why not just accept that every country has its own civiliazation and that your concept of civilization isn't the standard everyone else has to follow.

And if China was owned by the US or The Netherlands no one would have a problem, right?

Bachus, did the Indonesians invite the Dutch to colonize their nation? Did the Zulu Nation in South Africa? Did the natives of Suriname, Dutch-Guyana, the Dutch-Antilles? How convenient history is. One can simply ignore it.

Why don't you just admit that you're scared of the rising economic power of China and other Asian nations? You did it your way, they do it their way. You just don't want them to succeed.

Whose human rights have you respected? Native Americans? African Americans? Hispanics? Asians? It even took you till 1920, when women finally won the vote throughout the nation. You still have a the gender pay gap, men are still preferred over women in the work force, etc. Not even your Constitution guarantees women the same rights as men. Once again, first take care of your own backyard.

The main thing is, as long as it benefits you, you don't give a rat's ass about anyone. Not now, not ever!


Taike, I agree with much of what you say. I am an anamoly where I live... I do not just wave my flag for the good ol' USA. I agree that the good ol' USA has done a lot of bad things. And continues to do so.

It seems all of this is planned. Why, I don't know. I guess because the powers that be, whomever they are, want it this way. The U.S. government, or those who control the U.S. government, seem to WANT China to become the big dog. It's all very puzzling. It's been unfolding before our eyes for a long time and they seem to support it.

As for those from the USA... I read a report last year from a seemingly very credible source. And it predicted, through some very convincing statistical extrapolations (yeah, gotta be careful with those, haha) that the USA will take a backseat within about 30 years, as I recall. China will become the big dog, followed, I think it was, by India.

I'd like to believe in the USA's "goodness" promoted by many, but, the cynic in me sees a lot of bad in the way the U.S. government has behaved. And I don't know if that can be fixed, it might just be the way it is and is going to be... the USA, as big dog, is history. Countries have failed throughout history. In fact, nobody ever stays on top long.

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#89551 - 01/02/11 08:22 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 2580
Loc: Ocala, FL USA
Bill Clinton started it...it is called NAFTA.

Our government has made MAJOR mistakes for many decades, now it catches up...

It must change. It wlll change one way or the other.

Also, Anyone wanting to move to a communist country....don't let the door hit you from behind on the way out. Enjoy.
Lee S.
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#89552 - 01/02/11 08:30 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
Beakybird Offline
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Registered: 01/27/01
Posts: 2227
Taike, I agree with you on the carbon emission thing. We need to bring carbon emissions down in the US. Hopefully, since Americans are split on global warming, we will find other environmental pluses in bringing down carbon emissions - like better air and less acidity in the oceans.

China is doing more than the US to bring down carbon emissions. Most of their leaders believe that global warming is caused by humans and not a natural phenomenon.

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#89553 - 01/02/11 08:39 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
Taike Offline
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Registered: 03/28/02
Posts: 2820
Loc: Xingyi, Guizhou (China)
Larry, history tends to repeat itself as we all know, albeit often too late.

Today is tomorrow's history. Whether something happened yesterday, last month, last year, 50 years or 1000 years ago, it'll always have an impact on our today.

I believe it's far more important to look at how multi-nationals control all and everything, and when things go bad, as they have, us little guys have to sacrifice in order for the bigwigs to maintain their lifestyle. No idea where boycotting China will put an end to this.

Taike

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#89554 - 01/02/11 09:15 AM Re: OT -- Everything's going to China
Bill in Dayton Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 2207
Loc: Dayton, OH USA
Good stuff, good stuff...

Some random thoughts...

1) Taike- With the signing of the Lily Ledbetter Fairpay Act early in the Obama Administration, equal pay for equal work is now the law of the land. It won't "really" correct all the inequities overnight, but its the single biggest step th8e Country has taken in sometime.

2) NAFTA is huge in this issue, no question about it. Union leaders, politicians and Corportacracy are also key to the discussion. All sides have behaved poorly and where we find ourselves today is in great part, due to the greed of those groups.

3) A great book to read about one view of this issue is John Perkin's "Confessions of an Economic Hitman."

4) "American Exceptionalism" is an over-used, tired phrase bordering on turning into almost a punchline. The USA is my Country and I love her and will till the day I die. Much the same as people from most other countries feel about theirs. I really wonder if the average person waking up today in North Korea or Afhganistan pines to live in the US? I doubt it.

5) Nice touch, Bill with the Elvis Costello reference...



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