Greetings to all our forum members.

Please I need a Tyros 3 to complement my KN7, and will be glad to know if any member has one for sale at a reasonable price. Or if you know someone outside the forum that has one that is priced reasonably, please I'd like to know. A contact email address is kayskwed@hotmail.com in case anyone wishes to contact me by email.

Thanks.

Buddy

[This message has been edited by Buddy (edited 08-25-2009).]

Hello,

Just go to any good keyboard dealer and buy one. The Tyros 3 is still so new that I can not imagine any occasions yet.



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One was listed on eBay about three weeks ago with a buy it now for $2,000. and no takers. Actually, it was listed TWICE with no interest. I think the interest in a Tyros 3 has faded somewhat. I could be wrong.

Mark

Mark, With Tyros 3 keyboards posted for open box at $3,170 to a high of $3,999 on E-bay I have doubts that the Tyros 3 selling at $2,000 was legit even if were used. I just paid $2,900 for a two-month-old Tyros 3 and I felt it was a good buy. I also feel the desire for all arranger keyboards is diminishing.
John C.

You are probably right John when you say, "I also feel the desire for all arranger keyboards is diminishing." I believe it is a dealer that has been trying to sell a Roland E80 on eBay for months and has dropped the price from $2,500. to $2,000. and still no takers. As I understand it, this model is a very good keyboard and on par with the KN7000. Personally, I am so satisfied with the KN7000 that I am not interested in newer keyboards. I have put entirely too much work in the KN7000 to lose it for a new play toy.

Mark

How true Mark...
Imagine trying to convert everything to a Tyros or a Korg etc - never...
Rog

You have both 'hit the nail head' as the saying goes. The KN7 is still way up front.

I bought a Tyros 3 because it was offered at a very good price and looking to the future, I felt that at some stage I would have to move on. 'Move On' that's a laugh for a start, in comparison to using the KN7, I feel I have taken a step backwards.

O.K. so the Yamaha is using the Computer system which is better - or so I'm told. All I can say is I don't know what computers other people are using, but my own PC is as easy to use as the KN7. In fact since the KN7 came out I have constantly used the PC to backup everything I have for the KN7, make my own CDs and use it for photographs - no problems at all. Unlike the T3 which has a very complicated saving system in that you must make sure the Styles are saved to and loaded from the Style section, The Registrations to/from the Regits section, Voices, Libraries etc. must all be saved and accessed to/from their own sections using the relevant buttons which we are led to believe is quicker and easier. Some even think the USB stick is quicker, o.k. I agree it holds much much more data but quicker, definitely not. When I load a tune from the SD Card it is in the keyboard before I can turn the music sheet over. There are some things I do like about the T3 but at the moment not enough to make me want to keep it. The worst part about it is the time consumption. Because of the system it uses, I seem to be spending my time either on the the relevant websites or pushing buttons on the keyboard itself with very little time left for actually playing it.

Of course it is entirely your business Buddy but if I were you, I'd look into the many extra costs involved before making any purchase. For instance, I have the Foot Controller and Expression/Volume Pedal for the KN and whilst the KN's Volume Pedal can be used with the Tyros, I cannot use the Foot Controller because of the small sized midi plug, so you will need to buy Yamaha pedals if you want to set up the T3 like your KN7. The smaller pedal starts at approx. £22.00 going up to around £200 I believe. Their deluxe keyboard stand is listed at around £185.00 and I understand it is not collapsible.

Having said all this, I did say I would give it six months before making up my mind and I will do that.

It's now almost four months since I bought it and although Yamaha fans are not going to like me saying this, I think the T3 Keyboard is over-rated and it's future with me looks decidedly 'bleak.

Audrey

Hi, Audrey -

Thanks, very much for your descriptive post. You certainly have given an eye-opener on the Tyros 3. I am assuming also the drawback that it is like the Tyros 2 and that being that it has outboard speakers. This, in itself would be a total turn-off for me. I would think with the keyboard and the hassle of the speakers, it would weigh even more than the KN7000. It certainly would require more baggage on a gig.

Again, thanks for your post.

Mark

Mark, I fully agree with you have put a great deal of effort into your Kn7.

I just received my Tyros 3 today - I will give a report for those who are interested. This is by no means putting down the Kn7, that is not my purpose. But I must say, and I say this politely those of you who may have interest are not receiving the correct information about Yamaha.

When understood, and that means binding all thoughts you have from working a keyboard like the Kn7000, and renewing your mind to a new concept the Tyros 3 is fantastic. If there were a KN8000 I would have bought that instead. If I could turn the clock back and stay with my KN7000 I would most likely stay with the KN7 because of the learning curve. After working with the Technics operating system for over ten years it came second nature to me. There was very I did not understand.

The Tyros 3 is a tool and it can not be mastered without a commitment. That is why I sold my KN7, I needed to get away from the KN7 operating system. If I did not I could not begin to master the Yamaha. In my battle I have owned two Tyros keyboards and a S900 -- and two different KN7. I found that I could not be successful working two different systems. Again, not for everyone!

Now that I have made the move I am happy I made it although the effort and commitment was steep. It is not for everyone. If anyone would like to know more about the Tyros 3 I will respond. If not this is my last post on this subject.

John C.

Like many 7K players I too have been reading up on the T3. Never, except on You-Tube have I seen or heard the T3. Here and on the SZ General Arranger KB Forum I have read about the T3.
Now that I have two 7K's, one to play at home and the other once weekly at my little gig, there is no need to consider another KB. (My Technics 6K sits on it's stand out in my little Casita (little house) probably needing only a cleaning to make it perfect again. I am waffling between selling it either as-is or getting it cleaned out first.)

AUDREY....Your 6 month report on the T3 will be of great interest. JOHN C if you have additional info to share about your T3, that too will be of interest.

I do not recall that anyone on the General Arranger Forum and elsewhere have mentioned that they were former Technics owners/players. (Maybe you JOHN C?) Perhaps the passion of the T3 only folks rests with their never having owned/played a Technics by any name?

Way back in '94, my first KB was a Yammie.
Today I would call it a "toy".... Then I fell in love with the Technics KN1000... I loved it and would enjoy playing with it again. Then I bought another Yammie, why I do not recall. It was a 620 something... It was okay, though the sound quality did not meet or surpass that of the 1K...to my hear.
From there I went to the Technics 3K, 5K, 6K and 7K. Each of these Technics KB's has met my needs completely.

BUDDY... I feel sure that should you choose to purchase a Tyros 3 that it will fall short of "complimenting" your 7K... You might want to consider a less expensive T2, some other brand like Roland or Korg, or even a Technics 6500, 6000, 5000.
That is what I would have done had I not found a 2nd 7K which to my mind/experience is Queen (or King) of Arrangers....

Elizabeth


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I want to say a big 'thank you' to all forum members who have provided advice and suggestions to me on my desire to purchase a Tyros 3 'to complement' my KN7. I appreciate you all.

I just need to add that I love my KN7. Infact I also own a KN5 which I still use. The only reason that I need a Tyros 3 is because of the built-in styles/accompaniments in the Tyros 3 which I find very modern and well-syncopated. In my previous Posts, I had expressed reservation and dis-satisfaction with the built-in styles/accompaniments in the KN7. They do not serve my purpose: I am not good at building accompaniments/programming them from the scratch. For my purpose, I rely most of the time on built-in styles.

I play for a small pentecostal local church and we don't have a set of band or music players. We therefore rely on a keyboard with good styles/accompaniments. The KN5000 afforded us that and when the KN7 came out, we invested in it in the hope that it would have better built-in styles/accompniments than the KN5000.

As I pointed out in my previous Posts on this matter, I do not believe that the KN7 built-in accompniments were properly syncopated. I might be wrong. But that is my experience, hence I often resort to my KN5000 for use in church.

But I find that the Tyros 3 has very up-to-date styles/accompaniments. But more importantly, the accompaniments, in my view are properly syncopated. They give me the sort of well balanced rhythms/accompaniments - the sort that I find in the KN5000 that serve our purpose.

I was even thinking that the built-in accompaniments in the KN6500 (which I don't have) might be as good as those in the Tyros 3. And I have wondered, if that should be the case, is it possible to find a copy of the KN6500 styles/accompaniments and load them into the KN7000. I don't know.

Don't get me wrong, I love my KN7000 and of course the KN5000 also. Apart from this problem that I have observed with the KN7000, I still believe that the KN7 surpases the Tyros 3 in every other respect. This is my view.

Any suggestions, please?

Again, thanks to all you wonderful forum members.

Buddy


[This message has been edited by Buddy (edited 08-27-2009).]

Buddy, it is not my intent to dissuade you from the T-3. If you really want a Tyros by all means go ahead and get one.

But, I hope you know that the internal styles from the KN5000 will work just fine in your KN7000. In fact, they were included in a group of files that were offered at a Tech Note web site that are already in KN7000 format. Not sure, but I think they are available at Bill Norrie's web site. If not, I've got them around here somewhere if you want them.

Hi Buddy,
As Bob has indicated, all the styles from the previous KN series - going back to the KN2000 - are available as a single download from a page on my website : http://www.willumspages.co.uk/page8.html
The file also includes all the built-in styles from the KN2400/2600 and some newer 'World' styles. The file is in SD Backup format and requires the 'Panasonic Song Manager' program, to restore the styles to an SD Card.
Full instructions are shown on the web page and can be downloaded as a separate text file, should you require them.

Hi Bill, thanks. Also to Bob.

I was just unpacking the yet-un-opened little boxes that came long ago with my KN7. I discovered a box - Panasonic SD Audio PC Writing Kit for Technics SX-KN7000 (SZ-CB7). The contents are a USB Reader/Writer and also a CD - (Panasonic SD-Jukebox V2.4 for Technics SX-KN7000).I also have a 256 MB SD Card.

I suppose I can use the above kit to copy the styles on your website. If so, please, could you explain to me briefly how to use the kit for that purpose for best results.

I believe the Panasonic SD Jukebox V2.4 for KN7 CD is useful and may be of interest to some other forum members. And if any forum member needs a copy of it, I'll be glad to help with a copy. Available also is the original Technics CD - Applications & Drivers for SX-KN7000 - in case any member has lost his/hers and requires a copy.

All our forum members have taught me that we have to keep alive the spirit of always looking out for each other. Every little helps!

Thanks.

Buddy

Hi Buddy
All you need to transfer the style files from Bill's web site is a floppy disk.
Download them to your hard disk on your computer and then transfer them to your KN7000 by means of a floppy disk...probably about 10 at a time.
They will appear on your KN7000 in the rhythm area button marked 'memory load' and you will then need to save them to an SD Card to retain them.
Incidentally there are laods more downloadable style files on the internet.
The rest of the kit you mention is for audio files such CD's etc
Rog

Thanks Rog for your kind advice. I shall do as you've suggested, and hope everything works out fine.

Buddy

Ok Buddy
If you need any more help just shout cos I'm only just down the road (M4) from you in that now famous place Wootton Bassett.
Rog

Please may I know if any forum member who owns KN7 lives in London, and if the member would kindly wish to help and let us arrange to meet.

My aim is to take my KN7 and check and compare regarding some of the issues that I have, through many Posts, complained about my KN7. It will certainly help me to determine whether or not my KN7 is faulty. That way, it will help put my mind at rest.

If any member in London would wish to help, please contact me on kayskwed@hotmail.com

Thanks

Buddy