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#6427 - 06/19/07 01:31 PM Good synth for powerful bass?
eltico Offline
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Registered: 06/19/07
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Loc: Utah
I am a big fan of The Album Leaf, and I know they use a Moog Rogue for its bass capabilities. Does anyone know of a new synth out there that produces similar low end, powerful bass sounds?

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#6428 - 06/19/07 02:06 PM Re: Good synth for powerful bass?
Justin Gazda Offline
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Registered: 06/21/06
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Loc: Marietta GA, USA
the micromoog is the cheapest, and its bass definatley cannot be argued with. Suprisingly, I have gotten some marriage destroying bass out of the old Yamaha TX81Z, and those are double digit cheap.

If you are using resonance on your bass patches, its a little harder. Without rez, almost any analogish synth can be quite thunderous. But adding resonance is the true test of how well the device can hang on to its bass.

This has to do with the construction of the filter. Filters are either comprised of diodes or transistors. The transistors are famous for maintaining the most bass no matter what, where diode filters tend to get a bit of a whistle or crunch.

Roland chip filters and later devices with CEM filters in them are of the diode type and I seldom use such devices if I want the bass to have that classic moog chirp.

Korg on the other hand designed their AD2069 filters on the moog way and thus the outcome is a smoother, more pleasant more "bottomy" bass. The DW-8000 and even the tiny Poly-800 have this power.

Another thing to look for is the brick wall.
That is anything in the output or mixing stage of a synthesizer that limits bass frequencies for god knows what stupid purpose. If the synth in question has a high pass filter that cannot be literally taken out of the circuit, it will limit bass frequencies.

Suprisingly enough, the micromoog and multimoog suffer this problem, but its easy to get around the bass limiting circuitry inside them. Various websites support.

Roland, on the other hand did some absolutley rediculous things to the audio paths of their gear, like adding chorus circuits and highpass filters, and hundreds of capacitors that muddy up the sound, even when these devices were turned off. Fortunatley, these issues can also be dealt with as the components inside are big enough to solder to and change about.

Older Yamaha CS series subtractive synthesizers all had a slider that let you turn up the sine wave, unaffected by the filter, which resulted in some rediculous bass. The monosynths they made, like the CS-20M are perfect examples of this feature. And they can match the classic moog sound quality, no sweat.

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#6429 - 06/20/07 07:52 AM Re: Good synth for powerful bass?
3351 Offline
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Registered: 08/17/03
Posts: 1194
Loc: Toronto, Canada.
Quote:
Originally posted by eltico:
I am a big fan of The Album Leaf, and I know they use a Moog Rogue for its bass capabilities. Does anyone know of a new synth out there that produces similar low end, powerful bass sounds?


Well, there are lots of new synths that can do a nice phat analog bass.

Truth of it is, it isn't just the Rogue you are hearing there. There's the work of sound engineers, magic of final mastering.

Unless you are an analog buff who can take care of repairs and find spare parts don't go Vintage. I'd even say don't go analog. For the kind of sound you need you could get away with Arturia's Minimoog V. Might not sound a 100% like the original but would do most of it for you.

On the other hand if you are really after that 100% Rogue bass then only a Rogue would do.

In the end it is only you and you alone as a user who should be able to tell the difference. Most people who'll get to hear your music wouldn't even know what a Moog is. A few people might. Whether they'll care enough if its a real Moog or not shouldn't matter for as long as they like your music.

cheers,

-ED-




[This message has been edited by 3351 (edited 06-20-2007).]
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